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"I feel like some devs need to time-travel back to 2005 or something and develop for that era in order to learn how to build things nimbly." No need to invent

by lukan 2y ago

"I feel like some devs need to time-travel back to 2005 or something and develop for that era in order to learn how to build things nimbly." No need to invent time travel, just let them have a working retreat somewhere with only bad mobile connection for a few days.

hinkley 2y ago
A little time with embedded hardware will teach you a few things too.
KETHERCORTEX 2y ago
There's no need for retreat. Chrome DevTools have "simulate slow connection" button.
- lukan 2y ago
  Yeah - and do they use it? Does it help experiencing them the joy of wanting just a little text information, but having to load loads of other stuff first and your connection timing out? I am afraid to get the full experience, they actually need to have a bad connection.
atoav 2y ago
My first education was in industrial design, there designers usually have pride in avoiding needless complexity and material waste. Even if I do web services I try to do so with as little moving parts as needed and with huge reliance on trusted and standardized solutions. If see any addition of complexity as a cost that needs to be weighed against the benefits you hope it brings you will automatically end up with a lean and fast application.
mkroman 2y ago
Just put them on a train during work hours! We have really good coverage here but there's congestion and frequent random dropouts, and a lot of apps just don't plan for that at all.
qingcharles 2y ago
Amen to this. And give them a mobile cell plan with 1GB of data per month. I've seen some web sites with 250MB payloads on the home page due to ads and pre-loading videos. I work with parolees who get free government cell phones and then burn through the 3GB/mo of data within three days. Then they can't apply for jobs, get bus times, rent a bike, top up their subway card, get directions.
- beefnugs 2y ago
  Yeah and then give them thousands upon thousands of paying customers with these constraints worth caring about
- immibis 2y ago
  This is probably a deliberate decision on the part of the government. A lot of the justice system is designed to keep people in prison.
  - latexr 2y ago
    That makes little sense. If it was a deliberate plan, it would be much more effective (and cheaper) to not provide the cellphones and data plan in the first place.
    - fire_lake 2y ago
      You see this all the time. Need to keep up appearances but the actually implementation is poor.
    - qingcharles 2y ago
      Exactly. It's easy to attribute malice where incompetence is the answer. The root problem is that there is no feedback loop so that the government agency funding the program isn't properly looking at the product being delivered at the other end and putting measures in place to stop the contractors from taking advantage of the program to only deliver the barest minimum without tracking the effects on the end customer.
  - 2y ago

by lukan 2y ago

hinkley 2y ago

A little time with embedded hardware will teach you a few things too.

KETHERCORTEX 2y ago

There's no need for retreat. Chrome DevTools have "simulate slow connection" button.

lukan 2y ago
Yeah - and do they use it? Does it help experiencing them the joy of wanting just a little text information, but having to load loads of other stuff first and your connection timing out? I am afraid to get the full experience, they actually need to have a bad connection.

atoav 2y ago

My first education was in industrial design, there designers usually have pride in avoiding needless complexity and material waste. Even if I do web services I try to do so with as little moving parts as needed and with huge reliance on trusted and standardized solutions. If see any addition of complexity as a cost that needs to be weighed against the benefits you hope it brings you will automatically end up with a lean and fast application.

mkroman 2y ago

Just put them on a train during work hours! We have really good coverage here but there's congestion and frequent random dropouts, and a lot of apps just don't plan for that at all.

qingcharles 2y ago

Amen to this. And give them a mobile cell plan with 1GB of data per month. I've seen some web sites with 250MB payloads on the home page due to ads and pre-loading videos. I work with parolees who get free government cell phones and then burn through the 3GB/mo of data within three days. Then they can't apply for jobs, get bus times, rent a bike, top up their subway card, get directions.

beefnugs 2y ago
Yeah and then give them thousands upon thousands of paying customers with these constraints worth caring about
immibis 2y ago
This is probably a deliberate decision on the part of the government. A lot of the justice system is designed to keep people in prison.
- latexr 2y ago
  That makes little sense. If it was a deliberate plan, it would be much more effective (and cheaper) to not provide the cellphones and data plan in the first place.
  - fire_lake 2y ago
    You see this all the time. Need to keep up appearances but the actually implementation is poor.
  - qingcharles 2y ago
    Exactly. It's easy to attribute malice where incompetence is the answer. The root problem is that there is no feedback loop so that the government agency funding the program isn't properly looking at the product being delivered at the other end and putting measures in place to stop the contractors from taking advantage of the program to only deliver the barest minimum without tracking the effects on the end customer.
- 2y ago