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But leaf blowers 7 am are fine xD

db48x 2y ago
7am is well after sunrise in most places, most of the year. Your personal tolerance for sounds at that hour should not be regarded as universal.
- yourapostasy 2y ago
  A lot of my friends who in their younger years held this position rapidly backpedaled after they added babies to their homes. There are very effective sound mitigation solutions available though, if you're willing and able to afford to remodel the room(s) you want to defend against such external sounds. I interpret such actions as what to normally expect in a lower trust society and culture. We pay for such settings in many different ways.
- prmoustache 2y ago
  Leaf blowers are noise pollution regardless of the time of the day, which has short and long term effects on health.
  - db48x 2y ago
    Well, I don’t disagree with that. My point is only that 7am is a perfectly fine hour to be out doing something productive. Make hay while the sun shines.
- mindslight 2y ago
  And electric lighting exists. If you're going to define when noise is acceptable based on when any significant contingent of people are up and active, then noise at 1AM (3AM on weekends) also falls under that definition. Yet the early riser coalition tends to complain about that... And never mind that the main value add of leaf blowers (over the traditional rake) is to coat your neighbors with debris and dust, thus necessitating even more cleaning (inside too, if they dared to have their windows open). Also I'd say it's your characterization of freedom that is a narrow misunderstanding. I'd define freedom as the ability for individuals to make their own choices in the presence of society. Being the only person for miles and thus being "free" to do whatever you want isn't some sensible ideal of freedom, rather it's a pathological case that has made freedom irrelevant. In other words, freedom itself directly depends on tolerance. And by the time a city is forcing someone to build yet another ticky-tack fence to hide the mere sight of a perhaps-ill-advised boat it's clear that there is very little tolerance aka respect for freedom.

7am is well after sunrise in most places, most of the year. Your personal tolerance for sounds at that hour should not be regarded as universal.

yourapostasy 2y ago
A lot of my friends who in their younger years held this position rapidly backpedaled after they added babies to their homes. There are very effective sound mitigation solutions available though, if you're willing and able to afford to remodel the room(s) you want to defend against such external sounds. I interpret such actions as what to normally expect in a lower trust society and culture. We pay for such settings in many different ways.
prmoustache 2y ago
Leaf blowers are noise pollution regardless of the time of the day, which has short and long term effects on health.
- db48x 2y ago
  Well, I don’t disagree with that. My point is only that 7am is a perfectly fine hour to be out doing something productive. Make hay while the sun shines.
mindslight 2y ago
And electric lighting exists. If you're going to define when noise is acceptable based on when any significant contingent of people are up and active, then noise at 1AM (3AM on weekends) also falls under that definition. Yet the early riser coalition tends to complain about that... And never mind that the main value add of leaf blowers (over the traditional rake) is to coat your neighbors with debris and dust, thus necessitating even more cleaning (inside too, if they dared to have their windows open). Also I'd say it's your characterization of freedom that is a narrow misunderstanding. I'd define freedom as the ability for individuals to make their own choices in the presence of society. Being the only person for miles and thus being "free" to do whatever you want isn't some sensible ideal of freedom, rather it's a pathological case that has made freedom irrelevant. In other words, freedom itself directly depends on tolerance. And by the time a city is forcing someone to build yet another ticky-tack fence to hide the mere sight of a perhaps-ill-advised boat it's clear that there is very little tolerance aka respect for freedom.