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Nope. You'd be hard pressed to construct a narrative short of failed-state-need-24-hour-armed-security-to-survive where I'd entertain the notion of allowing 3rd

Nope. You'd be hard pressed to construct a narrative short of failed-state-need-24-hour-armed-security-to-survive where I'd entertain the notion of allowing 3rd parties any kind of say over what I can and can't do on my property.

meetingthrower 2y ago
Do you live in the country in a town with no zoning? You might be surprised...
- edgyquant 2y ago
  I lived in a pretty small town growing up and we were forced to sell the car I was going to get at 16 because I was 15 and it had been sitting for months. The city gave us a warning and was going to start fining us everyday until we got rid of it
  - meowster 2y ago
    What was the warning for? Not being registered, not moving, etc? Those are things that your parents can fix without you being 16.
db48x 2y ago
You say that, but I bet you already live in a village, town, or city that has quite a lot of rules about what you can and cannot do. Noise ordinances, building codes, safety rules, fire codes, historical preservation, it goes on and on and on.
- forgetfreeman 2y ago
  There's quite a bit of difference between building codes and empowering my neighbors to bitch about the color of my mailbox...
  - andybak 2y ago
    Yes but I bet everyone will disagree about exactly where to draw the line between the two types of rule. It's the middle where it gets fractious. Question - Have you ever lived in a high-density environment? apartment block, terrace row etc.? Someone who has will have a different stance on what is acceptable regulation to someone that's only lived in the density of typical US suburbia.
    - jeltz 2y ago
      Not exactly comparable but as someone who has lived all my life in apartments in Sweden have to say that people who grew up Swedish suburbia and moved into the city seems to be the most into deciding what others are allowed to do compared to people who have lived a long time in dense environments. Could just be that are used to different rules but I would not say we have more rules in the cities.
    - forgetfreeman 2y ago
      I've lived in trailer parks, downtown apartments, mid-town housing projects, suburban neighborhoods, hyper rural farming communities, and my car on a few occasions. I don't fuck with my neighbors and won't tolerate being fucked with, regardless of setting.
      - andybak 2y ago
        > won't tolerate being fucked with, OK. So you have your own rules, which you enforce on others? That's swell but I can imagine it could lead to problems. Maybe some form of committee where people can settle disputes and agree on standards?
        beaeglebeachedd 2y ago
        The peoples' glorious committee have never been a good way to protect property rights. Which is part of the reason why many rights are set up to not be subject to democratic opinion.
        2y ago
- beaeglebeachedd 2y ago
  No I don't, I purposely bought a property with no code inspections and no covenants and there's been no code or fire check or noise ordinance for 20+ years. None of the scare stories you hear on here came true, but what did come true is you can actual afford a home because you're not the subject of constant harassment and corruption of code enforcers when building.
  - db48x 2y ago
    You are in a minority. The huge salient fact about the last 200 years is the continual movement of the population from rural areas into urban areas.
rafaelmn 2y ago
Umm sorry but that's nonsense - externalities of your property impacts your neighborhood and having rules upfront about what's acceptable is a good way to deal with conflicts and setting expectations. Laws have to be defined for the entire country. If I buy a house in a nice neighborhood and I pay extra because it's a nice neighborhood - I want to know that everyone has some standard of maintenance.
- forgetfreeman 2y ago
  To put it as bluntly as possible I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling donut what you or others likeminded think is nonsense here. I live on 20 wooded acres surrounded by undeveloped forest lots ranging in size from 40 to 200 acres, the closest neighbor is half a mile away, and I couldn't pick anyone that lives there out of a police lineup if my life depended on it. I chose my location precidely to avoid this creeping horseshit notion that you've got rights over the things I own.
  - rboyd 2y ago
    You described nearly exactly my little place here in the countryside too. I noticed property taxes were up this year, and the electric co-op cut down two of my favorite trees while I was on vacation because they said they were too close to the lines. There’s always something. sigh
    - forgetfreeman 2y ago
      The power co-op cleared three problem trees after I called them out which opened things up enough that I've been able to drop a bunch more myself with no issues. Got an Alaska mill on the way to process the trunks into lumber, the greenhouse is going in this fall. My only real complaint is the bizarre amount of mice we have on the property, but that's a solvable problem.
  - fastball 2y ago
    So you wouldn't mind if someone bought the property closest to wherever your house is on your 20 acres, cut down the undeveloped forest, and built an abattoir right on the property line?
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meetingthrower 2y ago

Do you live in the country in a town with no zoning? You might be surprised...

edgyquant 2y ago
I lived in a pretty small town growing up and we were forced to sell the car I was going to get at 16 because I was 15 and it had been sitting for months. The city gave us a warning and was going to start fining us everyday until we got rid of it
- meowster 2y ago
  What was the warning for? Not being registered, not moving, etc? Those are things that your parents can fix without you being 16.

db48x 2y ago

You say that, but I bet you already live in a village, town, or city that has quite a lot of rules about what you can and cannot do. Noise ordinances, building codes, safety rules, fire codes, historical preservation, it goes on and on and on.

forgetfreeman 2y ago
There's quite a bit of difference between building codes and empowering my neighbors to bitch about the color of my mailbox...
- andybak 2y ago
  Yes but I bet everyone will disagree about exactly where to draw the line between the two types of rule. It's the middle where it gets fractious. Question - Have you ever lived in a high-density environment? apartment block, terrace row etc.? Someone who has will have a different stance on what is acceptable regulation to someone that's only lived in the density of typical US suburbia.
  - jeltz 2y ago
    Not exactly comparable but as someone who has lived all my life in apartments in Sweden have to say that people who grew up Swedish suburbia and moved into the city seems to be the most into deciding what others are allowed to do compared to people who have lived a long time in dense environments. Could just be that are used to different rules but I would not say we have more rules in the cities.
  - forgetfreeman 2y ago
    I've lived in trailer parks, downtown apartments, mid-town housing projects, suburban neighborhoods, hyper rural farming communities, and my car on a few occasions. I don't fuck with my neighbors and won't tolerate being fucked with, regardless of setting.
    - andybak 2y ago
      > won't tolerate being fucked with, OK. So you have your own rules, which you enforce on others? That's swell but I can imagine it could lead to problems. Maybe some form of committee where people can settle disputes and agree on standards?
      - beaeglebeachedd 2y ago
        The peoples' glorious committee have never been a good way to protect property rights. Which is part of the reason why many rights are set up to not be subject to democratic opinion.
      - 2y ago
beaeglebeachedd 2y ago
No I don't, I purposely bought a property with no code inspections and no covenants and there's been no code or fire check or noise ordinance for 20+ years. None of the scare stories you hear on here came true, but what did come true is you can actual afford a home because you're not the subject of constant harassment and corruption of code enforcers when building.
- db48x 2y ago
  You are in a minority. The huge salient fact about the last 200 years is the continual movement of the population from rural areas into urban areas.

rafaelmn 2y ago

Umm sorry but that's nonsense - externalities of your property impacts your neighborhood and having rules upfront about what's acceptable is a good way to deal with conflicts and setting expectations. Laws have to be defined for the entire country. If I buy a house in a nice neighborhood and I pay extra because it's a nice neighborhood - I want to know that everyone has some standard of maintenance.

forgetfreeman 2y ago
To put it as bluntly as possible I don't give a flying fuck at a rolling donut what you or others likeminded think is nonsense here. I live on 20 wooded acres surrounded by undeveloped forest lots ranging in size from 40 to 200 acres, the closest neighbor is half a mile away, and I couldn't pick anyone that lives there out of a police lineup if my life depended on it. I chose my location precidely to avoid this creeping horseshit notion that you've got rights over the things I own.
- rboyd 2y ago
  You described nearly exactly my little place here in the countryside too. I noticed property taxes were up this year, and the electric co-op cut down two of my favorite trees while I was on vacation because they said they were too close to the lines. There’s always something. sigh
  - forgetfreeman 2y ago
    The power co-op cleared three problem trees after I called them out which opened things up enough that I've been able to drop a bunch more myself with no issues. Got an Alaska mill on the way to process the trunks into lumber, the greenhouse is going in this fall. My only real complaint is the bizarre amount of mice we have on the property, but that's a solvable problem.
- fastball 2y ago
  So you wouldn't mind if someone bought the property closest to wherever your house is on your 20 acres, cut down the undeveloped forest, and built an abattoir right on the property line?

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