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I tried to find more information about the specific ordinance that the city cited to be able to order someone to build a fence. Seems strange, a city government

I tried to find more information about the specific ordinance that the city cited to be able to order someone to build a fence. Seems strange, a city government behaving like an HOA. What is the possible reason for such an ordinance that would not also apply to a mural?

defrost 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaside,_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaside,_California While at root a General-Law City it's entirely possible for the five-member City Council to have at some point in the past passed policy directives that are akin to those that might come from a HOA. Seaside City Council also serves as the board of directors for the Redevelopment Agency of the City Council ... and "Redevelopment" can easily code for "we have a strong vision of what our town|small city should look like". > What is the possible reason for such an ordinance that would not also apply to a mural? If such an ordinance exists to hide 'unsightly' cars | boats behind a fence then it's possible that when it was drafted and passed in (say) 1960 (?) no one thought to specify a tight restriction on the paint job on any fence ... "In any sufficiently complex set of rules, there's always a loophole." ~ Kurt Gödel, homeowner.
aaronbasssett 2y ago
Here's the ordinance from my city: http://bocaraton.elaws.us/code/coor_ch28_artxv_div8_sec28-1509#:~:text=The%20recreational%20vehicle%2C%20boat%20or%20boat%20trailer%20is%20screened%20from%20off%2Dpremises%20view%20by%20a%20fence%2C%20wall%20or%20hedge http://bocaraton.elaws.us/code/coor_ch28_artxv_div8_sec28-15....
b112 2y ago
I don't know about the US all that much, but here in Canuck land, we generally don't have HOAs (incredibly rare), and the closest thing would be condo associations, which make sense, for there is a shared "common cost" involved in a condo building. For detached housing, it's all the city and bylaws. Bylaws might cover common nuisance laws, such as having a bunch of rusted cars on the lawn, or having your lawn covered in dog feces. Both of these are often covered under pollution, if you live in a rural area on a well, dog shit runoff can contaminate a well. And rusting cars often have old gas and oil and other contaminants, same logic. But realistically, these laws are also passed because "unsightly". One difference between an HOA and a city government, is at least in Canada democracy is involved. Especially smaller city governments. I've noticed larger municipal governments aren't as democratic, just due to the size and scope of things. For example, knowing your mayor on a first name basis, in a municipality the size of <10k people, is different than a mayor of a 1M+ city. In the smaller case, you often have the mayor's cell phone number and email, and your councillor's, and you just.. you know, talk to them.
gorbachev 2y ago
It's almost certainly in place to prevent someone from loading their property with dozens of junk cars, or something like that, and then being applied to all kinds of situations that wouldn't warrant it.
puzzlingcaptcha 2y ago
https://www.codepublishing.com/CA/Seaside/#!/Seaside17/Seaside1734.html#17.34.150 https://www.codepublishing.com/CA/Seaside/#!/Seaside17/Seasi... D

defrost 2y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaside,_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaside,_California While at root a General-Law City it's entirely possible for the five-member City Council to have at some point in the past passed policy directives that are akin to those that might come from a HOA. Seaside City Council also serves as the board of directors for the Redevelopment Agency of the City Council ... and "Redevelopment" can easily code for "we have a strong vision of what our town|small city should look like". > What is the possible reason for such an ordinance that would not also apply to a mural? If such an ordinance exists to hide 'unsightly' cars | boats behind a fence then it's possible that when it was drafted and passed in (say) 1960 (?) no one thought to specify a tight restriction on the paint job on any fence ... "In any sufficiently complex set of rules, there's always a loophole." ~ Kurt Gödel, homeowner.

aaronbasssett 2y ago

Here's the ordinance from my city: http://bocaraton.elaws.us/code/coor_ch28_artxv_div8_sec28-1509#:~:text=The%20recreational%20vehicle%2C%20boat%20or%20boat%20trailer%20is%20screened%20from%20off%2Dpremises%20view%20by%20a%20fence%2C%20wall%20or%20hedge http://bocaraton.elaws.us/code/coor_ch28_artxv_div8_sec28-15....

b112 2y ago

I don't know about the US all that much, but here in Canuck land, we generally don't have HOAs (incredibly rare), and the closest thing would be condo associations, which make sense, for there is a shared "common cost" involved in a condo building. For detached housing, it's all the city and bylaws. Bylaws might cover common nuisance laws, such as having a bunch of rusted cars on the lawn, or having your lawn covered in dog feces. Both of these are often covered under pollution, if you live in a rural area on a well, dog shit runoff can contaminate a well. And rusting cars often have old gas and oil and other contaminants, same logic. But realistically, these laws are also passed because "unsightly". One difference between an HOA and a city government, is at least in Canada democracy is involved. Especially smaller city governments. I've noticed larger municipal governments aren't as democratic, just due to the size and scope of things. For example, knowing your mayor on a first name basis, in a municipality the size of <10k people, is different than a mayor of a 1M+ city. In the smaller case, you often have the mayor's cell phone number and email, and your councillor's, and you just.. you know, talk to them.

gorbachev 2y ago

It's almost certainly in place to prevent someone from loading their property with dozens of junk cars, or something like that, and then being applied to all kinds of situations that wouldn't warrant it.

puzzlingcaptcha 2y ago

https://www.codepublishing.com/CA/Seaside/#!/Seaside17/Seaside1734.html#17.34.150 https://www.codepublishing.com/CA/Seaside/#!/Seaside17/Seasi... D