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> The desktop and its applications were snappy even in a virtual machine configured with only 2GB of RAM and two vCPUs. It's a sad state of affairs that not al

by tivert 2y ago

> The desktop and its applications were snappy even in a virtual machine configured with only 2GB of RAM and two vCPUs. It's a sad state of affairs that not all desktops can say that.

wiseowise 2y ago
It’s a sad state of affairs when you prepend 2GB of RAM and two vCPUs with only.
- demetrius 2y ago
  It's a sad state of affairs when it's considered ok to get rid of perfectly working hardware just because a new faster one is available.
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    Nobody does that? People get rid of old HW mostly because new SW is bloaty and slow so it's cheaper to upgrade your HW than to wait or hope in vain for the SW devs to finally optimize their shit.
    - tivert 2y ago
      > Nobody does that? People get rid of old HW mostly because new SW is bloaty and slow so it's cheaper to upgrade your HW than to wait or hope in vain for the SW devs to finally optimize their shit. Software developers usually get or are given the shiniest, fastest hardware, but that's probably backwards. We should get old, underpowered stuff (and be required to use it by law) and be forced to make do. That pain would force the optimizations, and those would benefit society 1000x over the cost of our annoyance.
      - Rinzler89 2y ago
        >We should get old, underpowered stuff (and be required to use it by law) and be forced to make do. Why not both, a fast and a slow one? In Hollywood film making, the colorist uses a $40k professional mastering monitor to make sure the work is accurate, and also a $100 Walmart TV in parallel to make sure the movie will still look good in your average home and not just on the studio monitors. Same should be in SW dev: Develop on fast HW but test on slow HW.
anthk 2y ago
2GB? I happily ran KDE with 256 MB of RAM...
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  In what year? Which Linux kernel version? I also ran Windows with 16Mb of RAM.
  - unleaded 2y ago
    window maker will happily run on debian 12 with 256MB of RAM!
    - Rinzler89 2y ago
      And do what with it? Type novels in vim? The moment you open Firefox empty tab, let alone Reddit/Youtube, everything goes to swap.
      - shaky-carrousel 2y ago
        I used to have a specialized YouTube graphical client at that time. You don't need to load the bloated YouTube website to watch YouTube videos. Probably same applies to Reddit.
        Rinzler89 2y ago
        Sure, but the average user won't put up with all this: seek lightweight alternative to Windows/Mac/Ubuntu, then seek lightweight alternative to Gnome/KDE, then seek lightweight alternative to Chrome/FF, then seek lightweight alternative clients to youtube and reddit, just so they can watch youtube and browse reddit. People are busy with work, life, etc, and life is too short, and sometimes going the quick and convenient way of having a system that can run Chrome/FF and Youtube/reddit out of the box, saves you time that you can spend with your loved ones or doing hobbies you like outdoors, instead spending hours/days faffing around learning and fiddling with niche obscure SW, just to feel triumphant that you found workarounds to running modern bloated SW on ancient obsolete HW people throw in the trash. Not promoting wastefulness here, but sometimes there are points of diminishing returns, even for techies on a budget. I just try to see if LinuxLite or Lubuntu can save the system. If it's too slow even for those then it goes in the trash, I'm not wasting time with obscure linux tools I'm not familiar with just to potentially save some worthless e-waste that's not even a museum piece. I know there's some tinkerers out there who can get to run youtube on a Pentium 3 for shits and giggles, but that's where I'd keep it, at tinkering/entertainment, since I'm not a masochist to actually recommend people daily drive such a thing or do that myself, just to prove a point against obsolescence. For example I tried to donate and find a new home online for my old Core2Quad PC from 2007 with 6GB of ram and 1TB mechanical HDD, and nobody would take it off my hands saying it's far too outdated to be usable today despite that not being true with some lightweight Linux on it, but people aren't looking to run and learn some new unfamiliar OS, they want Windows and Chrome and all that shit they're familiar with and would rather spend money to get something they see as usable instead of taking for free something they see as unusable. So I threw it in the trash.
dailykoder 2y ago
I don't even know why people think that slow animations/transitions are a good idea. I noticed that especially on newer KDE. The default configuration with enabled animations is SO slow, it's super annoying. If you turn them off it's okay-ish, but could still be a tiny bit snappier here and there

by tivert 2y ago

> The desktop and its applications were snappy even in a virtual machine configured with only 2GB of RAM and two vCPUs. It's a sad state of affairs that not all desktops can say that.

wiseowise 2y ago

It’s a sad state of affairs when you prepend 2GB of RAM and two vCPUs with only.

demetrius 2y ago
It's a sad state of affairs when it's considered ok to get rid of perfectly working hardware just because a new faster one is available.
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  Nobody does that? People get rid of old HW mostly because new SW is bloaty and slow so it's cheaper to upgrade your HW than to wait or hope in vain for the SW devs to finally optimize their shit.
  - tivert 2y ago
    > Nobody does that? People get rid of old HW mostly because new SW is bloaty and slow so it's cheaper to upgrade your HW than to wait or hope in vain for the SW devs to finally optimize their shit. Software developers usually get or are given the shiniest, fastest hardware, but that's probably backwards. We should get old, underpowered stuff (and be required to use it by law) and be forced to make do. That pain would force the optimizations, and those would benefit society 1000x over the cost of our annoyance.
    - Rinzler89 2y ago
      >We should get old, underpowered stuff (and be required to use it by law) and be forced to make do. Why not both, a fast and a slow one? In Hollywood film making, the colorist uses a $40k professional mastering monitor to make sure the work is accurate, and also a $100 Walmart TV in parallel to make sure the movie will still look good in your average home and not just on the studio monitors. Same should be in SW dev: Develop on fast HW but test on slow HW.

anthk 2y ago

2GB? I happily ran KDE with 256 MB of RAM...

Rinzler89 2y ago
In what year? Which Linux kernel version? I also ran Windows with 16Mb of RAM.
- unleaded 2y ago
  window maker will happily run on debian 12 with 256MB of RAM!
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    And do what with it? Type novels in vim? The moment you open Firefox empty tab, let alone Reddit/Youtube, everything goes to swap.
    - shaky-carrousel 2y ago
      I used to have a specialized YouTube graphical client at that time. You don't need to load the bloated YouTube website to watch YouTube videos. Probably same applies to Reddit.
      - Rinzler89 2y ago
        Sure, but the average user won't put up with all this: seek lightweight alternative to Windows/Mac/Ubuntu, then seek lightweight alternative to Gnome/KDE, then seek lightweight alternative to Chrome/FF, then seek lightweight alternative clients to youtube and reddit, just so they can watch youtube and browse reddit. People are busy with work, life, etc, and life is too short, and sometimes going the quick and convenient way of having a system that can run Chrome/FF and Youtube/reddit out of the box, saves you time that you can spend with your loved ones or doing hobbies you like outdoors, instead spending hours/days faffing around learning and fiddling with niche obscure SW, just to feel triumphant that you found workarounds to running modern bloated SW on ancient obsolete HW people throw in the trash. Not promoting wastefulness here, but sometimes there are points of diminishing returns, even for techies on a budget. I just try to see if LinuxLite or Lubuntu can save the system. If it's too slow even for those then it goes in the trash, I'm not wasting time with obscure linux tools I'm not familiar with just to potentially save some worthless e-waste that's not even a museum piece. I know there's some tinkerers out there who can get to run youtube on a Pentium 3 for shits and giggles, but that's where I'd keep it, at tinkering/entertainment, since I'm not a masochist to actually recommend people daily drive such a thing or do that myself, just to prove a point against obsolescence. For example I tried to donate and find a new home online for my old Core2Quad PC from 2007 with 6GB of ram and 1TB mechanical HDD, and nobody would take it off my hands saying it's far too outdated to be usable today despite that not being true with some lightweight Linux on it, but people aren't looking to run and learn some new unfamiliar OS, they want Windows and Chrome and all that shit they're familiar with and would rather spend money to get something they see as usable instead of taking for free something they see as unusable. So I threw it in the trash.

dailykoder 2y ago

I don't even know why people think that slow animations/transitions are a good idea. I noticed that especially on newer KDE. The default configuration with enabled animations is SO slow, it's super annoying. If you turn them off it's okay-ish, but could still be a tiny bit snappier here and there