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Pop III stars (if they existed) are really a mystery, we can't easily extrapolate. These stars would be purely hydrogen and helium so it would take them a surp

Pop III stars (if they existed) are really a mystery, we can't easily extrapolate. These stars would be purely hydrogen and helium so it would take them a surprisingly long time to get to CNO cycle, for example.

astroH 2y ago
So I think it is fair to say they did exist. If we believe in Big Bang Nucleosynthesis then heavy elements had to come from somewhere making the first generation of stars (whatever their properties may be) be Population III. I agree that without a catalyst it's hard to initiate the CNO cycle but indeed models predict that it is possible even under these circumstances.
dredmorbius 2y ago
Why would it take a Pop III star longer than an equivalent-mass Pop I or II star to reach the end of its H / He fusion cycle?
- astro-throw 2y ago
  Because of the lack of C, N, and O, which are catalysts in the CNO cycle. They aren't produced by it.
  - dredmorbius 2y ago
    Thanks!
  - dredmorbius 2y ago
    NB: based on some quick searches, it seems that low-metalicity Pop III stars would rely on the pp (proton-proton) fusion chain. That's going to slow reaction somewhat, and extend lifetime. But for high-mass stars with only a few millions of years expected lifetime in a Pop I/II class, that's ... still a relatively modest difference compared to the several hundred million year lifespan of the early Universe. Or am I missing something?
    - astro-throw 2y ago
      Another interesting quirk of Pop III stars is that their initial mass function is expected to form much more massive stars than Pop II or Pop I. So even if Pop III stars are longer lived at the same mass as Pop II or Pop I, there will be a lot more supernovae per time, leading to fast enrichment and then Pop II.
      - dredmorbius 2y ago
        That was one of my thoughts. Another is that p-p fusion is fairly common. Look up when the Big Room's bright and you'll see a ... stellar example yourself ;-) (p-p fusion dominates in stars < ~1.3 M, where M is a solar mass. CNO fusion is typical of more massive stars.)

astroH 2y ago

So I think it is fair to say they did exist. If we believe in Big Bang Nucleosynthesis then heavy elements had to come from somewhere making the first generation of stars (whatever their properties may be) be Population III. I agree that without a catalyst it's hard to initiate the CNO cycle but indeed models predict that it is possible even under these circumstances.

dredmorbius 2y ago

Why would it take a Pop III star longer than an equivalent-mass Pop I or II star to reach the end of its H / He fusion cycle?

astro-throw 2y ago
Because of the lack of C, N, and O, which are catalysts in the CNO cycle. They aren't produced by it.
- dredmorbius 2y ago
  Thanks!
- dredmorbius 2y ago
  NB: based on some quick searches, it seems that low-metalicity Pop III stars would rely on the pp (proton-proton) fusion chain. That's going to slow reaction somewhat, and extend lifetime. But for high-mass stars with only a few millions of years expected lifetime in a Pop I/II class, that's ... still a relatively modest difference compared to the several hundred million year lifespan of the early Universe. Or am I missing something?
  - astro-throw 2y ago
    Another interesting quirk of Pop III stars is that their initial mass function is expected to form much more massive stars than Pop II or Pop I. So even if Pop III stars are longer lived at the same mass as Pop II or Pop I, there will be a lot more supernovae per time, leading to fast enrichment and then Pop II.
    - dredmorbius 2y ago
      That was one of my thoughts. Another is that p-p fusion is fairly common. Look up when the Big Room's bright and you'll see a ... stellar example yourself ;-) (p-p fusion dominates in stars < ~1.3 M, where M is a solar mass. CNO fusion is typical of more massive stars.)