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This feels similar to the Megaupload case; America desperately throwing its weight around outside it's borders, with a total disregard for the law. And, just li
by Fizzadar 14y ago
This feels similar to the Megaupload case; America desperately throwing its weight around outside it's borders, with a total disregard for the law. And, just like the Megaupload case, they have fucked up big time.
Why does the American govt. feel it has the right to choose who can become a nuclear power or not anyway?
- xaa 14y agoThe original nytimes article implies that the U.S. started this program as a way to prevent Israel from responding in a military way to Iran's nuclear program. But yes, it certainly does seem that nary a geopolitical snafu goes by without the U.S. being involved.
- Cacti 14y agoThat's because you hear about the snafus, not the successes. There is much more incentive inkeeping the successes black, classified, and burried. Snafus are, almost by definition, just the things you hear about---otherwise, whos's to say?
- slurgfest 14y agoThe things you hear about aren't limited to snafus. They also include propaganda and mistakes. Blaming the US for essentially everything, with or without evidence, is a mainstay of many countries' politics.
- netcan 14y agoSome things are a question of right, some things are a question of need or interest. The US has enemies and it doesn't want them to have nuclear weapons.
- jacobr 14y agoIs there any proof that the facility in question deals with uranium enrichment for military purposes?
- shadesandcolour 14y agoNo but the original article states a fear that the facility could be used to create a stockpile that could then be enriched to weapons-grade should Iran chose to do so. I'm not saying whether that is right or wrong but The article in the NYT states the President's fears.
- slurgfest 14y agoBecause it could ONLY be the US which doesn't want Iran to have nuclear weapons (or for that matter, all of the Middle East to be in a nuclear arms race). Right?
- jQueryIsAwesome 14y agoBecause it could ONLY be Iran which doesn't want USA to have nuclear weapons... Historically speaking, USA is more likely to drop an atomic bomb than Iran (or any other country for that matter)
- netcan 14y agoNo. Several countries & it's not entirely straightforward telling which.
- soc88 14y agoWhy not stop making enemies instead of creating and building ones end then trying to kill them again?
- ikwm 14y agoNo nation should become a nuclear power. It’s really simple.
- hieronymusN 14y agoTo play Devil's Advocate: How did they "fuck up big time"? From what I can tell from press coverage Stuxnet did exactly what it was supposed to do - damage centrifuges at Natanz.
- skymt 14y agoAccording to the NYT coverage Stuxnet was never intended to spread beyond Natanz. The escape led to the worm's discovery by security researchers, which led to the investigation and revelation of the US's involvement.
- bilbo0s 14y agoOnly did it though? The evidence is VERY circumstantial to most nuclear engineering professionals I would think. I think you want them taken out, not vandalized.
- Fizzadar 14y agoI would say that because it spread beyond Natanz it was a big fuck up :)
- webXL 14y agoYeah, but everyone knows we don't want them to get nukes. The rest of the world doesn't want them to get nukes. Iran would have discovered the highly specialized virus on their network. It was a fuck up that the media got confirmation of the virus creators, but everyone knew who was behind it from day one.
- terangdom 14y agoNo, everyone did not know. Many had strong suspicions.
- dlitz 14y agoIIRC, it was supposed to put Iran's nuclear program behind by several years, but because it escaped into the wild---and thus endured far greater public scrutiny than it would have otherwise---the Iranians found out about it much earlier than they were intended to, so it didn't have quite the impact that the US/Israel were hoping for.
- rooshdi 14y agoBecause they're protecting us, remember? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr7ePrCAqzo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr7ePrCAqzo
- joshmaker 14y agoBecause Iran is a signatory of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treat...) and their development of Nuclear weapons is thus in violation of international law.
- rooshdi 14y agoViolation of international law huh...as long as the law doesn't apply to America or Israel I guess: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_settlements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_s... http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/05/29/us-israel-nuclear-treaty-idUSTRE64S1ZN20100529 http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/05/29/us-israel-nuclear-... Oh, that and the fact that America and Israel can't trust anyone but themselves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5-9aAFvWXA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5-9aAFvWXA
- slurgfest 14y agoNo arguments on settlements, but would you point to hard evidence that the US is in violation of NPT? I am getting tired of sourceless claims here.
- slurgfest 14y agoWould you please respond in addition to (or instead of) just downvoting something you disagree with in order to suppress it? Thank you
- rooshdi 14y agoI didn't down vote you and I'll show you hard evidence when you show me hard evidence Iran is in violation of the NPT. We don't want any sort of hypocrisy going on around here, right? What the hell, here's some evidence just for kicks: http://compliancecampaign.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/iran-and-the-usa-who-really-violates-international-obligations/ http://compliancecampaign.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/iran-and-... http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2619 http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2619
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