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Well if you're forcing them to break when you merge then that kind of requires a finger imo. Regardless Columbus has a great lack of turn signals and understan

Well if you're forcing them to break when you merge then that kind of requires a finger imo. Regardless Columbus has a great lack of turn signals and understanding of basic intersection rules.

jstanley 2y ago
You're not forced to brake if you can see that 2 lanes go down to 1 and you therefore anticipate that the cars in the other lane are going to have to merge into your lane and you leave a gap to allow them to do so.
- practicemaths 2y ago
  If there is an appropriate gap it is fine. However in my experience many people in the zipper lane merge without regard to what the traffic in the lane they're merging into is doing. Thus forcing people to slam on breaks and slows down the overall flow of traffic.
  - jstanley 2y ago
    If you don't leave a gap then you're forcing the people in the other lane to slow down and disrupt the flow of traffic. It is a mistake to think that one of the two input lanes is more entitled to the output lane than the other. 2 lanes go down to 1, neither is more privileged than the other, cars should merge in turn.
    - practicemaths 2y ago
      If there isn't a gap then don't force a merge. Otherwise you're the one driving unsafely and causing further traffic congestion. Your comment makes less sense when the merging lane has no one else it as well. That means the car in it that is merging over has plenty of opportunities to merge safely without causing traffic congestion however they don't.
  - nkrisc 2y ago
    If there’s not an appropriate gap then you are also at fault. You should always have an appropriate gap between you and the car in front of you.
myko 2y ago
> if you're forcing them to break when you merge then that kind of requires a finger i do my best to avoid forcing anyone to brake, ever usually the people flipping me off are speeding ahead of me from the other lane as soon as they see my signal go on
- practicemaths 2y ago
  Oh, so you end up with space to merge easily then if they're speeding up.
  - myko 2y ago
    it really depends on where they are in relation to me and if people are following them closely when they see my signal they are behind me so making it much more difficult to merge cleanly - i can either hop over as soon as i signal (not safe) or brake so i can merge behind them, where if they hadn't sped up i'd just move over naturally in the flow of traffic it really feels to me like your comments are meant to needle my complaint re: folks not understanding the zipper merge, am i misreading you? do you think the zipper merge should not be used?
    - practicemaths 2y ago
      "brake so i can merge behind them" This is how you're supposed to merge. When you get on the freeway you don't expect the current flow of traffic to accommodate for you, instead you accommodate for them. "it really feels to me like your comments are meant to needle my complaint re: folks not understanding the zipper merge, am i misreading you? do you think the zipper merge should not be used?" I am not sure you're understanding how it's supposed to work... People in the flowing lane aren't meant to stop or slow down to let you over. The zipper action is meant when it's backed up. The zipper lane isn't designed for you to disrupt the current flow of traffic. Edit: here's a video, maybe it will help you understand better https://youtu.be/I2Rd8z_VHpE?si=C4nmWqQpL7aaydQI https://youtu.be/I2Rd8z_VHpE?si=C4nmWqQpL7aaydQI
      - 2y ago

Well if you're forcing them to break when you merge then that kind of requires a finger imo. Regardless Columbus has a great lack of turn signals and understanding of basic intersection rules.

jstanley 2y ago

You're not forced to brake if you can see that 2 lanes go down to 1 and you therefore anticipate that the cars in the other lane are going to have to merge into your lane and you leave a gap to allow them to do so.

practicemaths 2y ago
If there is an appropriate gap it is fine. However in my experience many people in the zipper lane merge without regard to what the traffic in the lane they're merging into is doing. Thus forcing people to slam on breaks and slows down the overall flow of traffic.
- jstanley 2y ago
  If you don't leave a gap then you're forcing the people in the other lane to slow down and disrupt the flow of traffic. It is a mistake to think that one of the two input lanes is more entitled to the output lane than the other. 2 lanes go down to 1, neither is more privileged than the other, cars should merge in turn.
  - practicemaths 2y ago
    If there isn't a gap then don't force a merge. Otherwise you're the one driving unsafely and causing further traffic congestion. Your comment makes less sense when the merging lane has no one else it as well. That means the car in it that is merging over has plenty of opportunities to merge safely without causing traffic congestion however they don't.
- nkrisc 2y ago
  If there’s not an appropriate gap then you are also at fault. You should always have an appropriate gap between you and the car in front of you.

myko 2y ago

> if you're forcing them to break when you merge then that kind of requires a finger i do my best to avoid forcing anyone to brake, ever usually the people flipping me off are speeding ahead of me from the other lane as soon as they see my signal go on

practicemaths 2y ago
Oh, so you end up with space to merge easily then if they're speeding up.
- myko 2y ago
  it really depends on where they are in relation to me and if people are following them closely when they see my signal they are behind me so making it much more difficult to merge cleanly - i can either hop over as soon as i signal (not safe) or brake so i can merge behind them, where if they hadn't sped up i'd just move over naturally in the flow of traffic it really feels to me like your comments are meant to needle my complaint re: folks not understanding the zipper merge, am i misreading you? do you think the zipper merge should not be used?
  - practicemaths 2y ago
    "brake so i can merge behind them" This is how you're supposed to merge. When you get on the freeway you don't expect the current flow of traffic to accommodate for you, instead you accommodate for them. "it really feels to me like your comments are meant to needle my complaint re: folks not understanding the zipper merge, am i misreading you? do you think the zipper merge should not be used?" I am not sure you're understanding how it's supposed to work... People in the flowing lane aren't meant to stop or slow down to let you over. The zipper action is meant when it's backed up. The zipper lane isn't designed for you to disrupt the current flow of traffic. Edit: here's a video, maybe it will help you understand better https://youtu.be/I2Rd8z_VHpE?si=C4nmWqQpL7aaydQI https://youtu.be/I2Rd8z_VHpE?si=C4nmWqQpL7aaydQI
    - 2y ago