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A: Hey B, you must stop doing this thing or we'll need to replace you. B: Ok, I can't do that. You can replace me B proceeds to be replaced and no longer work

A: Hey B, you must stop doing this thing or we'll need to replace you. B: Ok, I can't do that. You can replace me B proceeds to be replaced and no longer works there Some time later... T: obviously, B was not fired.

ahahahahah 2y ago
Like if "this thing" had been "doing drugs during the workday", would you have considered the scenario a firing?
- philwelch 2y ago
  If an employee was caught doing drugs at work and was given the option of keeping his job if he could just quit the drugs and maybe go to rehab, that’s not a firing at all, that’s a second chance!
  - ahahahahah 2y ago
    I agree! I certainly don't think that making the offer is itself a firing. However, when the offer is declined and the person must leave the company as in the described scenario...
tptacek 2y ago
I don't know what any of this is paraphrasing. Here's what Graham actually said: People have been claiming YC fired Sam Altman. That's not true. Here's what actually happened. For several years he was running both YC and OpenAI, but when OpenAI announced that it was going to have a for-profit subsidiary and that Sam was going to be the CEO, we (specifically Jessica) told him that if he was going to work full-time on OpenAl, we should find someone else to run YC, and he agreed. If he'd said that he was going to find someone else to be CEO of OpenAI so that he could focus 100% on YC, we'd have been fine with that too. We didn't want him to leave, just to choose one or the other. He literally directly says they did not fire him and did not want him to leave.
- cpach 2y ago
  This whole thread is so weird. It’s like people really want to say “yeah, Sam Altman was fired from YC”.
- varjag 2y ago
  Oh come on, both pg and Jessica are way too intelligent to not know what the choice is going to be coming into that conversation.
  - tptacek 2y ago
    If you want to say Altman quit YC, I fully agree! That is clearly what he did.
    - varjag 2y ago
      Naturally. Same way samurai committed seppuku on their own volition too: it was clearly a way to part amicably, no need to call security.
      - tptacek 2y ago
        Obviously, no. The more apt comparison would be to a samurai choosing between continuing to serve his Daimyo, or eating the world's most delicious cinnamon roll. None of the options on the table were comparable to disembowelment. Reasonable people can disagree about which option was the cinnamon roll.

ahahahahah 2y ago

Like if "this thing" had been "doing drugs during the workday", would you have considered the scenario a firing?

philwelch 2y ago
If an employee was caught doing drugs at work and was given the option of keeping his job if he could just quit the drugs and maybe go to rehab, that’s not a firing at all, that’s a second chance!
- ahahahahah 2y ago
  I agree! I certainly don't think that making the offer is itself a firing. However, when the offer is declined and the person must leave the company as in the described scenario...

tptacek 2y ago

I don't know what any of this is paraphrasing. Here's what Graham actually said: People have been claiming YC fired Sam Altman. That's not true. Here's what actually happened. For several years he was running both YC and OpenAI, but when OpenAI announced that it was going to have a for-profit subsidiary and that Sam was going to be the CEO, we (specifically Jessica) told him that if he was going to work full-time on OpenAl, we should find someone else to run YC, and he agreed. If he'd said that he was going to find someone else to be CEO of OpenAI so that he could focus 100% on YC, we'd have been fine with that too. We didn't want him to leave, just to choose one or the other. He literally directly says they did not fire him and did not want him to leave.

cpach 2y ago
This whole thread is so weird. It’s like people really want to say “yeah, Sam Altman was fired from YC”.
varjag 2y ago
Oh come on, both pg and Jessica are way too intelligent to not know what the choice is going to be coming into that conversation.
- tptacek 2y ago
  If you want to say Altman quit YC, I fully agree! That is clearly what he did.
  - varjag 2y ago
    Naturally. Same way samurai committed seppuku on their own volition too: it was clearly a way to part amicably, no need to call security.
    - tptacek 2y ago
      Obviously, no. The more apt comparison would be to a samurai choosing between continuing to serve his Daimyo, or eating the world's most delicious cinnamon roll. None of the options on the table were comparable to disembowelment. Reasonable people can disagree about which option was the cinnamon roll.