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>pretending you could add self-driving with just cameras in an over-the-air update (Tesla) I have watched enough recent Tesla self-driving ride along videos on

>pretending you could add self-driving with just cameras in an over-the-air update (Tesla) I have watched enough recent Tesla self-driving ride along videos on YouTube to suspect you might be mistaken on this point. Tesla intends to launch a cybertaxi fleet and their software looks like it will be good enough to get them there without lidar or additional sensors.

E39M5S62 2y ago
Tesla 'intends' to do a lot of things, but rarely seems to be able to actually DO them.
- fourseventy 2y ago
  Ya, other than becoming the best selling EV company and revolutionizing the entire EV industry...
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  - rcxdude 2y ago
    Doesn't necessarily mean they'll succeed at everything they try.
jeffbee 2y ago
There are no Teslas that have ever taken a trip without an operator behind the wheel. The idea that there will be a near-future discontinuity after which a Tesla will be able to serve as a robotaxi is pretty ridiculous. I just watched the latest video from AIDRIVR on YouTube. AIDRIVR is a TSLA pumper-and-dumper who has dedicated their channel to uncritical praise of FSD. In the first third of the video FSD v12 runs two stop signs, once directly into oncoming traffic in a 1-way traffic control and once at a stop where the cross traffic does not stop. This stuff is not even a little bit ready for fully supervised operation. https://youtu.be/fpoXr_z_6a4?t=565 https://youtu.be/fpoXr_z_6a4?t=565
- m348e912 2y ago
  >This stuff is not even a little bit ready for fully supervised operation. https://youtu.be/fpoXr_z_6a4?t=565 https://youtu.be/fpoXr_z_6a4?t=565 Thanks for sharing. I skimmed through the video and watched a fair amount of it. I got a different impression. I thought it was impressive how FSD 12 navigated narrow winding roads with parked cars and oncoming traffic and flaggers holding signs that alternate between stop and slow. My impression was while it's not perfect, it's a few iterations away from having very few situations that require disengagement. And keeping in mind that every incident of disengagement is a learning and improving moment for FSD, the following iterations of FSD will continue to get more impressive.
  - ra7 2y ago
    Here’s a Tesla failing to detect a train and crashing into a railroad crossing gate: https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/s/AghLi791rO https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/s/AghLi791rO This isn’t just “a few iterations away”. Most of what you said has been repeated for years from people who just watch curated YouTube videos. I’ve driven on FSD v12 and I’ve intervened multiple times almost every single drive. It’s nowhere near ready and will likely never be with that sensor suite.
    - m348e912 2y ago
      I'll have to take your word for it. I don't have a Tesla and have no experience with FSD. The only thing I can say is that the videos I have watched are recent with no jump cuts or editing. Were they curated trips among many other trips that weren't posted? I have no way of knowing. The feedback seems to be that FSD 12 is noticeably better than previous versions. I suspect that Tesla is paying attention to the disengagement events and working hard to minimize them in the future, but I truly have no idea. Also I am sure this question has been asked before but what is good enough for FSD? Perfect in every situation? Better than the average human driver? At par or better than an expert professional driver? I don't have an answer personally but I am curious what others think.
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donut_rider 2y ago
Just a timeline of how Musk predicts that FSD will be solved in the next year every year since 2015: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/. It is one thing to cherry-pick flawless drives on a sunny day and upload it to YouTube while having someone behind the wheel ready to take over the glorified driving assistant system. It is another to run a commercial driverless service open to the public 24/7 in one of the biggest urban areas, knowing that riders will record everything, assuming accident liability, and keeping a nice safety record without someone behind the wheel.
- jeffbee 2y ago
  > cherry-pick flawless drives on a sunny day Tesla FSD sucks extra bad on sunny days in fact, due to its basic optical systems.
zellyn 2y ago
I think they do great! Except for the occasional stationary emergency vehicle, bridge pile, etc. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/26/tesla-autopilot-fatal-crash https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/26/tesla-aut...

E39M5S62 2y ago

Tesla 'intends' to do a lot of things, but rarely seems to be able to actually DO them.

fourseventy 2y ago
Ya, other than becoming the best selling EV company and revolutionizing the entire EV industry...
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- rcxdude 2y ago
  Doesn't necessarily mean they'll succeed at everything they try.

jeffbee 2y ago

There are no Teslas that have ever taken a trip without an operator behind the wheel. The idea that there will be a near-future discontinuity after which a Tesla will be able to serve as a robotaxi is pretty ridiculous. I just watched the latest video from AIDRIVR on YouTube. AIDRIVR is a TSLA pumper-and-dumper who has dedicated their channel to uncritical praise of FSD. In the first third of the video FSD v12 runs two stop signs, once directly into oncoming traffic in a 1-way traffic control and once at a stop where the cross traffic does not stop. This stuff is not even a little bit ready for fully supervised operation. https://youtu.be/fpoXr_z_6a4?t=565 https://youtu.be/fpoXr_z_6a4?t=565

m348e912 2y ago
>This stuff is not even a little bit ready for fully supervised operation. https://youtu.be/fpoXr_z_6a4?t=565 https://youtu.be/fpoXr_z_6a4?t=565 Thanks for sharing. I skimmed through the video and watched a fair amount of it. I got a different impression. I thought it was impressive how FSD 12 navigated narrow winding roads with parked cars and oncoming traffic and flaggers holding signs that alternate between stop and slow. My impression was while it's not perfect, it's a few iterations away from having very few situations that require disengagement. And keeping in mind that every incident of disengagement is a learning and improving moment for FSD, the following iterations of FSD will continue to get more impressive.
- ra7 2y ago
  Here’s a Tesla failing to detect a train and crashing into a railroad crossing gate: https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/s/AghLi791rO https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/s/AghLi791rO This isn’t just “a few iterations away”. Most of what you said has been repeated for years from people who just watch curated YouTube videos. I’ve driven on FSD v12 and I’ve intervened multiple times almost every single drive. It’s nowhere near ready and will likely never be with that sensor suite.
  - m348e912 2y ago
    I'll have to take your word for it. I don't have a Tesla and have no experience with FSD. The only thing I can say is that the videos I have watched are recent with no jump cuts or editing. Were they curated trips among many other trips that weren't posted? I have no way of knowing. The feedback seems to be that FSD 12 is noticeably better than previous versions. I suspect that Tesla is paying attention to the disengagement events and working hard to minimize them in the future, but I truly have no idea. Also I am sure this question has been asked before but what is good enough for FSD? Perfect in every situation? Better than the average human driver? At par or better than an expert professional driver? I don't have an answer personally but I am curious what others think.
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donut_rider 2y ago

Just a timeline of how Musk predicts that FSD will be solved in the next year every year since 2015: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/. It is one thing to cherry-pick flawless drives on a sunny day and upload it to YouTube while having someone behind the wheel ready to take over the glorified driving assistant system. It is another to run a commercial driverless service open to the public 24/7 in one of the biggest urban areas, knowing that riders will record everything, assuming accident liability, and keeping a nice safety record without someone behind the wheel.

jeffbee 2y ago
> cherry-pick flawless drives on a sunny day Tesla FSD sucks extra bad on sunny days in fact, due to its basic optical systems.

zellyn 2y ago

I think they do great! Except for the occasional stationary emergency vehicle, bridge pile, etc. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/26/tesla-autopilot-fatal-crash https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/26/tesla-aut...