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You literally have to force people NOT to use Google Search. That’s how much people like Google. For that reason, the vast majority of population on earth have

You literally have to force people NOT to use Google Search. That’s how much people like Google. For that reason, the vast majority of population on earth have voted and they have made Google the custodian of the internet. I don’t understand the criticism that Google has ruined the internet. It’s a company with shareholders who demand y/o/ growth. Their job is to be make money by providing a useful service in the process. A service which is extremely expensive to run. If people don’t want Google to have this much power of the internet, then you need to campaign for consumers to stop using it. The odds of that succeeding is zero. That means the ball is in Google’s court and they can do whatever they please.

dotnet00 2y ago
This is circular reasoning. You can't convince people to not use it if you don't criticize it, and of course the odds of that succeeding are zero if you don't even try. Also, you literally have to force people to not use google search because it's the near universal default. The majority of the population with internet access does not care about it being google in particular as long as the engine works.
- pmontra 2y ago
  Many things have been universal defaults, then a truly better product appeared or an inferior one was inflicted to people and they could not dodge it. The default changed. The first Google was an example of a truly better product compared to Yahoo, Altavista, etc. For browsers, the first Firefox vs IE6. Both with only word of mouth. Or the first Chrome vs Firefox, at least for JS speed. Both word of mouth and advertising. Examples of inferior products that people could not dodge: many Microsoft corporate products. The latest one is probably Teams. Maybe Windows 11 too. Of course Windows 8.
retskrad 2y ago
If every smartphone and desktop OS right now summoned a pop up screen telling everyone on earth what they want their search engine to be, the loss in market share would be a rounding error for Google. If that’s not fair and square win for a company, I don’t know what is. The only way for Google to lose market share is if Apple changed the default search engine in iOS and redirected people to Bing with an UI that has the same UI as Google search. At that point, people who aren’t tech savvy will think it’s just Google and business is usual for them.
- encoderer 2y ago
  You’re definitely right about that. I don’t think it’s about defaults in this case like it was for Microsoft. This time Google should get clapped for their ad auction shenanigans.
pompino 2y ago
>If people don’t want Google to have this much power of the internet, then you need to campaign for consumers to stop using it. We need some politicians with a backbone to clamp down on their bad behavior. Nobody is going to cry over Google being put under heavier regulations. They're a spyware vendor as far as I am concerned. In the 2000's, any self-respecting nerd would have been repulsed by them (we used to fight when websites stored cookies or logged our IPs, remember that? :) ). But they slow-cooked the frog.

dotnet00 2y ago

This is circular reasoning. You can't convince people to not use it if you don't criticize it, and of course the odds of that succeeding are zero if you don't even try. Also, you literally have to force people to not use google search because it's the near universal default. The majority of the population with internet access does not care about it being google in particular as long as the engine works.

pmontra 2y ago
Many things have been universal defaults, then a truly better product appeared or an inferior one was inflicted to people and they could not dodge it. The default changed. The first Google was an example of a truly better product compared to Yahoo, Altavista, etc. For browsers, the first Firefox vs IE6. Both with only word of mouth. Or the first Chrome vs Firefox, at least for JS speed. Both word of mouth and advertising. Examples of inferior products that people could not dodge: many Microsoft corporate products. The latest one is probably Teams. Maybe Windows 11 too. Of course Windows 8.

retskrad 2y ago

If every smartphone and desktop OS right now summoned a pop up screen telling everyone on earth what they want their search engine to be, the loss in market share would be a rounding error for Google. If that’s not fair and square win for a company, I don’t know what is. The only way for Google to lose market share is if Apple changed the default search engine in iOS and redirected people to Bing with an UI that has the same UI as Google search. At that point, people who aren’t tech savvy will think it’s just Google and business is usual for them.

encoderer 2y ago
You’re definitely right about that. I don’t think it’s about defaults in this case like it was for Microsoft. This time Google should get clapped for their ad auction shenanigans.

pompino 2y ago

>If people don’t want Google to have this much power of the internet, then you need to campaign for consumers to stop using it. We need some politicians with a backbone to clamp down on their bad behavior. Nobody is going to cry over Google being put under heavier regulations. They're a spyware vendor as far as I am concerned. In the 2000's, any self-respecting nerd would have been repulsed by them (we used to fight when websites stored cookies or logged our IPs, remember that? :) ). But they slow-cooked the frog.