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The reason for the pile-on wasn't for screwing up. It was for refusing to correct his screw-up after it was pointed out. Consider people who are declared legall

The reason for the pile-on wasn't for screwing up. It was for refusing to correct his screw-up after it was pointed out. Consider people who are declared legally dead but are still alive. If all it takes to fix it is showing up at a government office with some ID and saying "hey, look, I'm still alive", then a pile-on isn't deserved. But if the government workers all just say "the system says you're dead, and dead people can't come back to life, so there's nothing we can do", then they all do deserve to be raked over the coals until they change their mind.

vsnf 2y ago
This could be interesting. Can the dead be charged with crimes? Can they be posthumously convicted? I’m sure the system would quickly find that the party in question is in fact alive in this case, but fun to ponder idly on.
- speed_spread 2y ago
  I once read about the case of a galactically famous rock singer that spent a year dead for fiscal reasons.
tpoacher 2y ago
Except on this analogy, Klode was the person claiming the rational "hey look I'm alive" approach, whereas his detractors were the ones using loud campaigns because they relied on edge-case "advantages" conferred by the "computer says no" system, and demanding people showing up alive with IDs at hand be turned away on the spot as the default option.
- btasker 2y ago
  I'm not sure that using a browser integration rather than having credentials pass through the clipboard really counts as an edge-case. In fact, I'd go further and say it's exactly the use-case that should be being encouraged. As well as avoiding the issue of clip-board watchers, it also reduces friction and increases the likelihood of ordinary users being willing and able to use it. Using a hardware key to unlock the database arguably is more of an edge-case, but conversely I'd argue that it's not acceptable to simply break that workflow. So, IMO, Klode was very much the "computer says no" part of the analogy. He changed the process so the default was to turn away live use-cases.

vsnf 2y ago

This could be interesting. Can the dead be charged with crimes? Can they be posthumously convicted? I’m sure the system would quickly find that the party in question is in fact alive in this case, but fun to ponder idly on.

speed_spread 2y ago
I once read about the case of a galactically famous rock singer that spent a year dead for fiscal reasons.

tpoacher 2y ago

Except on this analogy, Klode was the person claiming the rational "hey look I'm alive" approach, whereas his detractors were the ones using loud campaigns because they relied on edge-case "advantages" conferred by the "computer says no" system, and demanding people showing up alive with IDs at hand be turned away on the spot as the default option.

btasker 2y ago
I'm not sure that using a browser integration rather than having credentials pass through the clipboard really counts as an edge-case. In fact, I'd go further and say it's exactly the use-case that should be being encouraged. As well as avoiding the issue of clip-board watchers, it also reduces friction and increases the likelihood of ordinary users being willing and able to use it. Using a hardware key to unlock the database arguably is more of an edge-case, but conversely I'd argue that it's not acceptable to simply break that workflow. So, IMO, Klode was very much the "computer says no" part of the analogy. He changed the process so the default was to turn away live use-cases.