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I don't know why people are so triggered by bottom up approach vs top down by Waymo vs Tesla. Tesla already silently abandoned the "just over the AIR one day"
by maxdo 2y ago
I don't know why people are so triggered by bottom up approach vs top down by Waymo vs Tesla.
Tesla already silently abandoned the "just over the AIR one day" approach with a dedicated car announcement.
However the camera+ultra-sonic radars but no lidar is not only Tesla vision, but other companies too.
We don't know what it costs Waymo to operate their car. The fact that they charge money doesn't make them a real business, just as people paying for FSD doesn't make it a real business.
Both are promises until a breakthrough occurs. Waymo is starting small-scale but for a full setup, even if guided by humans here and there. Tesla starts with millions of cars and multiple countries but with far modest functionality.
Waymo is scaling up; Tesla FSD finally starts to look like the promise, with a high chance of a ride with 0 disengagements still on the scale of many countries and launching it also on a different continent right now.
It's interesting to observe how companies with radically different approaches are about to arrive at the same goal almost simultaneously.
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- endtime 2y agoI think it's because Tesla's approach seems unsafe and/or misleading (to the people reacting negatively to it).
- zellyn 2y agoYes, and they occasionally drive into stationary objects at high speed.
- a_c_s 2y agoTesla is still years behind Waymo: "FSD 12.3 seems superior to Waymo’s technology circa 2018, it’s not as good as Waymo’s technology at the end of 2020" https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/05/on-self-driving-waymo-is-playing-chess-while-tesla-plays-checkers/2/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/05/on-self-driving-waymo-i...
- marcusverus 2y agoThe author's opinion is based on one intervention from one trip: > "The version of FSD I tried in March [of 2024] was clearly not ready for driverless operation. For example, I had to intervene to prevent the Model X from running over a plastic lane divider, a mistake Waymo would not have made in 2020. So while FSD 12.3 seems superior to Waymo’s technology circa 2018, it’s not as good as Waymo’s technology at the end of 2020."
- swsieber 2y agoWhile true, if you go to page 1 of the article you find this: > During a 45-minute test drive in a Tesla Model X, I had to intervene twice to correct mistakes by the FSD software. In contrast, I rode in driverless Waymo vehicles for more than two hours and didn’t notice a single mistake. That seems pretty significant.
- mgiannopoulos 2y agoA 45’ drive is not sufficient data for a serious review.
- everforward 2y agoIt is if it disengages or requires intervention twice. The major players are at tens of thousands of miles between disengagement. We’re talking days or weeks of non-stop driving without disengagements.
- mgiannopoulos 2y agoDisengagement on a Tesla (manual override of the specific driver, riding on an unknown route) vs Waymo (pre-mapped tiny geographical area, no info on what counts as disengagement) can not be comparable.
- everforward 2y ago