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Kids need to mess up, and do things outside of the sight of their parents to grow. They need to be able to do things their parents disapprove from time to tim

Kids need to mess up, and do things outside of the sight of their parents to grow. They need to be able to do things their parents disapprove from time to time, or just hide some behavior that they feel shy about. Sex, meeting people outside of your social norms, attempting stupid stunts, and all that is part of growing. The simple fact you can know where they are at all time steal those opportunities from them, and normalize spying so that they grow into citizens that will accept it in the future by the gov. It also removes the parts of the day when they are on their own, and have to figure things out, then deal with the consequences of their action because the parents are not there to get them out of trouble.

jorvi 2y ago
> attempting stupid stunts That ship has sailed, regardless of parental tracking. I feel very lucky I was still among the generations that could do stupid stuff and not immediately have ten cameras dump my personal live on YouTube or a livestream.
- BiteCode_dev 2y ago
  You can do plenty of stupid stuff at a friend's home, in a forest, in a quiet street... Unless you live in India/China, there are plenty of places where you can get privacy, and kids look for them. Do you think they have sex in public?
rayiner 2y ago
> Sex, meeting people outside of your social norms, attempting stupid stunts, and all that is part of growing That’s an American cultural fallacy, like how Germans believe you’ll get sick if your kidneys get cold. Asian kids in America are strongly discouraged from doing these things (some do it anyway, but there’s measurable differences in aggregate behavior: https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/tables/3012198t1.pdf https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/tables/3...) and have vastly better outcomes than European American kids, especially in the bottom 20% of the income distribution. Similarly regimented communities like Mormons are also highly successful. Cultivating impulsiveness has its benefits. If you’re trying to build a world empire, maybe give your kids the freedom to succumb to the impulses of their underdeveloped brains. If you’re trying to maintain and perpetuate an orderly civilization, carefully regiment their behavior until they’re capable of controlling themselves.
rjzzleep 2y ago
In my opinion, part of that is how societies have made their societies less and less safe. If you look at a child the wrong way in the US people are ready to call the cops on you. It was a very odd experience to me, but then I realized that the US has one of the highest child abduction rates in the world. My daughter is loving a little book of a little girl that her mom sends to buy milk on her own for the first time. It's a Japanese book. Now Japanese and Taiwanese and much Asia for that matter are not famous for letting children just roam without freaking out every step of the way, but there is a pretty common theme in Japan of letting small children do groceries, sometimes as young as 4 years old. When I grew up in Germany, it too was a very safe society, so we would play in the street on our own. Before that I still have memories of my older brother taking me to buy Bread when I was 3 years old in the Normandie, I think in more remote places in France you can still do that. Part of the issue is safety from people and the other part is actually just the proliferation of cars, but if I had children in the US I would not let them out of my eyes even one second. That being said, I do sometimes put a Xiaomi smart band on her when I'm concerned about her heart rate. It's way less intrusive than fitbit. To put a device on a child where the makers used to brag internally about being able to know when people have sex is insane to me.
CyberDildonics 2y ago
They need to be able to do things their parents disapprove Sex, You think kids shouldn't have their location tracked so they can have sex?
- rayiner 2y ago
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hollerith 2y ago
You've never been a parent, have you?

jorvi 2y ago

> attempting stupid stunts That ship has sailed, regardless of parental tracking. I feel very lucky I was still among the generations that could do stupid stuff and not immediately have ten cameras dump my personal live on YouTube or a livestream.

BiteCode_dev 2y ago
You can do plenty of stupid stuff at a friend's home, in a forest, in a quiet street... Unless you live in India/China, there are plenty of places where you can get privacy, and kids look for them. Do you think they have sex in public?

rayiner 2y ago

> Sex, meeting people outside of your social norms, attempting stupid stunts, and all that is part of growing That’s an American cultural fallacy, like how Germans believe you’ll get sick if your kidneys get cold. Asian kids in America are strongly discouraged from doing these things (some do it anyway, but there’s measurable differences in aggregate behavior: https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/tables/3012198t1.pdf https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/tables/3...) and have vastly better outcomes than European American kids, especially in the bottom 20% of the income distribution. Similarly regimented communities like Mormons are also highly successful. Cultivating impulsiveness has its benefits. If you’re trying to build a world empire, maybe give your kids the freedom to succumb to the impulses of their underdeveloped brains. If you’re trying to maintain and perpetuate an orderly civilization, carefully regiment their behavior until they’re capable of controlling themselves.

rjzzleep 2y ago

In my opinion, part of that is how societies have made their societies less and less safe. If you look at a child the wrong way in the US people are ready to call the cops on you. It was a very odd experience to me, but then I realized that the US has one of the highest child abduction rates in the world. My daughter is loving a little book of a little girl that her mom sends to buy milk on her own for the first time. It's a Japanese book. Now Japanese and Taiwanese and much Asia for that matter are not famous for letting children just roam without freaking out every step of the way, but there is a pretty common theme in Japan of letting small children do groceries, sometimes as young as 4 years old. When I grew up in Germany, it too was a very safe society, so we would play in the street on our own. Before that I still have memories of my older brother taking me to buy Bread when I was 3 years old in the Normandie, I think in more remote places in France you can still do that. Part of the issue is safety from people and the other part is actually just the proliferation of cars, but if I had children in the US I would not let them out of my eyes even one second. That being said, I do sometimes put a Xiaomi smart band on her when I'm concerned about her heart rate. It's way less intrusive than fitbit. To put a device on a child where the makers used to brag internally about being able to know when people have sex is insane to me.

CyberDildonics 2y ago

They need to be able to do things their parents disapprove Sex, You think kids shouldn't have their location tracked so they can have sex?

rayiner 2y ago
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hollerith 2y ago

You've never been a parent, have you?