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I don’t care if my wife knows my location either. She’s my partner, not my parent. Thankfully, I’m not a teen trying to develop a sense of autonomy and self rel

I don’t care if my wife knows my location either. She’s my partner, not my parent. Thankfully, I’m not a teen trying to develop a sense of autonomy and self reliance independent of my wife’s supervision. As other posters have pointed out, no one really knows anything about anyone else’s life from an HN post. That said, the whole point of the panopticon is that if the prisoner doesn’t know when they’re being observed, they’re effectively always observed. It’s a concern that’s at least worth giving serious consideration, not dismissing out of hand because it happens to work for you and your wife.

lolinder 2y ago
> Thankfully, I’m not a teen trying to develop a sense of autonomy and self reliance independent of my wife’s supervision. Just a note that I don't think anyone is thinking of these watches as being for teenagers. They appear targeted at much younger kids, 8-11ish.
- kelnos 2y ago
  Fair, but I think discussion has morphed into that of parental surveillance in general, regardless of age. I'm sure there are plenty of parents who have given them smartphones and require their kids to always share their location with them, all the way through their teen years.
godelski 2y ago
> the whole point of the panopticon Yeah I think this is an important point and I think it is also worth adding that this is the same premise of 1984. Not that Winston (or anyone) is being specifically surveilled by a physical person at any given time, but rather that Big Brother __could__ be watching/listening at any time. And it is important to also stress the difference in power dynamics between husband/wife and parent/child. These are apples and oranges; both round fruit but different categories at an important level. Like you said, the teen is learning who they are while a partner has already made significant strides in this direction and (hopefully) has already learned autonomy. Children must make mistakes, but the goal is to prevent large ones. Difference between getting a burn by touching the stove and catching oneself on fire.

lolinder 2y ago

> Thankfully, I’m not a teen trying to develop a sense of autonomy and self reliance independent of my wife’s supervision. Just a note that I don't think anyone is thinking of these watches as being for teenagers. They appear targeted at much younger kids, 8-11ish.

kelnos 2y ago
Fair, but I think discussion has morphed into that of parental surveillance in general, regardless of age. I'm sure there are plenty of parents who have given them smartphones and require their kids to always share their location with them, all the way through their teen years.

godelski 2y ago

> the whole point of the panopticon Yeah I think this is an important point and I think it is also worth adding that this is the same premise of 1984. Not that Winston (or anyone) is being specifically surveilled by a physical person at any given time, but rather that Big Brother __could__ be watching/listening at any time. And it is important to also stress the difference in power dynamics between husband/wife and parent/child. These are apples and oranges; both round fruit but different categories at an important level. Like you said, the teen is learning who they are while a partner has already made significant strides in this direction and (hopefully) has already learned autonomy. Children must make mistakes, but the goal is to prevent large ones. Difference between getting a burn by touching the stove and catching oneself on fire.