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>It takes 5 minutes to configure Is that because you have 18 years of experience, or would it be as easy for a new developer?

hparadiz 2y ago
I just have the right config for both Apache2 and nginx from hundreds of sites. The config itself is only 50 lines. You can find a good one and stick with it.
- troupo 2y ago
  Yup. The process of finding alone will take more than 5 minutes. And is likely to not work for your particular circumstance.
donatj 2y ago
I think it would be roughly that easy for anyone with basic nginx experience. Nginx includes a php fast-cgi snippet that you just `include` from your server block. It really is very easy.
chrisandchris 2y ago
I was a long-time PHP dev and then moved on to C#. I was close to writing this nginx/fpm setup lookss very complex compared to "dotnet run". But then I remembered, in ASP.NET you have a Program with 50 lines of code that must have an exact order, otherwise thinks work except they don't. So I would say, knowing these two languages, PHP really is that easy to setup.
- neonsunset 2y ago
  This has not been true for a long time.
njovin 2y ago
You can have a a ~20 line docker-compose.yml file that only requires you to `docker compose up` and you're up and running. It's gotten insanely easy to run php-fpm + nginx + [whateverdb] in a set of docker services that require virtually no configuration.
- troupo 2y ago
  And who is going to write that ~20 line compose file with "no configuration"? A newbie?
  - cess11 2y ago
    When you're configuring Internet facing Linux services you're kind of out of the newbie area. A newbie is more likely to use the built-in development server and then SFTP a 'git archive' to a shared host.
    - troupo 2y ago
      The original comment was about newbies. Everyone is a newbie at one point. Just last year I tried a blog engine written in PHP. 24 years programming experience, but I haven't touched PHP for 10 years, and I haven't touched configuring it for 15+ years. It took me half a day to make it work.
      - cess11 2y ago
        What blog engine? Usually with PHP applications you clone the repo, copy .env boilerplate, enter database credentials, run Composer to fetch dependencies and do some setup tasks, then boot the application.
        troupo 2y ago
        I really wish people would maintain conversation context for at more than a single reply.
  - wruza 2y ago
    An LLM of course. They are really good at “trivial but you have to find a good tutorial” types of work.
hluska 2y ago
You won’t find this answer very satisfying, so feel free to ask questions. But it depends on what you’re trying to accomplish. If you’re sticking with defaults, it’s very easy - it’s less than ten minutes of work or seconds if you’re comfortable working with Docker. On the other hand, let’s say that you’re running into problems scaling to handle more requests. You’ll end up having to tweak the max_workers setting. That takes a bit of experience or it can be a lot of ‘fun’ (in the Dwarf Fortress sense). So yes and no. But a lot of people have been through this, have all the trauma you would receive and tend to be quite helpful. You can do it!

hparadiz 2y ago

I just have the right config for both Apache2 and nginx from hundreds of sites. The config itself is only 50 lines. You can find a good one and stick with it.

troupo 2y ago
Yup. The process of finding alone will take more than 5 minutes. And is likely to not work for your particular circumstance.

donatj 2y ago

I think it would be roughly that easy for anyone with basic nginx experience. Nginx includes a php fast-cgi snippet that you just `include` from your server block. It really is very easy.

chrisandchris 2y ago

I was a long-time PHP dev and then moved on to C#. I was close to writing this nginx/fpm setup lookss very complex compared to "dotnet run". But then I remembered, in ASP.NET you have a Program with 50 lines of code that must have an exact order, otherwise thinks work except they don't. So I would say, knowing these two languages, PHP really is that easy to setup.

neonsunset 2y ago
This has not been true for a long time.

njovin 2y ago

You can have a a ~20 line docker-compose.yml file that only requires you to `docker compose up` and you're up and running. It's gotten insanely easy to run php-fpm + nginx + [whateverdb] in a set of docker services that require virtually no configuration.

troupo 2y ago
And who is going to write that ~20 line compose file with "no configuration"? A newbie?
- cess11 2y ago
  When you're configuring Internet facing Linux services you're kind of out of the newbie area. A newbie is more likely to use the built-in development server and then SFTP a 'git archive' to a shared host.
  - troupo 2y ago
    The original comment was about newbies. Everyone is a newbie at one point. Just last year I tried a blog engine written in PHP. 24 years programming experience, but I haven't touched PHP for 10 years, and I haven't touched configuring it for 15+ years. It took me half a day to make it work.
    - cess11 2y ago
      What blog engine? Usually with PHP applications you clone the repo, copy .env boilerplate, enter database credentials, run Composer to fetch dependencies and do some setup tasks, then boot the application.
      - troupo 2y ago
        I really wish people would maintain conversation context for at more than a single reply.
- wruza 2y ago
  An LLM of course. They are really good at “trivial but you have to find a good tutorial” types of work.

hluska 2y ago

You won’t find this answer very satisfying, so feel free to ask questions. But it depends on what you’re trying to accomplish. If you’re sticking with defaults, it’s very easy - it’s less than ten minutes of work or seconds if you’re comfortable working with Docker. On the other hand, let’s say that you’re running into problems scaling to handle more requests. You’ll end up having to tweak the max_workers setting. That takes a bit of experience or it can be a lot of ‘fun’ (in the Dwarf Fortress sense). So yes and no. But a lot of people have been through this, have all the trauma you would receive and tend to be quite helpful. You can do it!