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Boy scouts can afford to lose kids because there is a group of people who know the place very well and are trained to deal with such a situation. Which is I thi

by GuB-42 2y ago

Boy scouts can afford to lose kids because there is a group of people who know the place very well and are trained to deal with such a situation. Which is I think not only common but expected. A tracker can reproduce this experience without the help of an boy scout camp. It is just about how the tracker is used. It can be used for constant, intrusive monitoring, or it can be used for emergencies only. It is just a tool, it also doesn't have to be used 24/7.

godelski 2y ago
> who know the place very well and are trained to deal with such a situation This comment surprises me and I suggests to me that you were not in Boy Scouts (I even worked at a camp for several summers when I was 18/19). Tbh, most of the people in charge of groups are just figuring it out themselves (camps/OOTA/Varsity tend to be a bit better, but I mean camps are run by teenagers and people in their early 20's). The danger isn't actually that high, though it may appear that way to those with no experience. IME I had more issues with adults than the scouts. As an example, I had several adults point an (unloaded![0]) shotgun in the direction of people, but never had a scout do this. Often because they wanted pictures... Of course, if someone gets seriously lost, there are means to get help. But that's most likely the forestry service. [0] We only load a single round and only when the person is ready to fire. So there is only one weapon loaded at any given time but weapons are __strictly__ treated as if loaded at all times. Weapons must also strictly be pointed down range (and not at the ground and not at the sky). Breaking these rules results in an immediate ejection from the range, and unfortunately has lead to troops being ejected because their leaders were (age requirements).
- sersi 2y ago
  I'm curious why not pointing the weapon at the ground? (I've never been to a firing range so this might be a stupid question)
  - godelski 2y ago
    Shooting yourself in the foot isn't just a figure of speech. Fwiw, you're not going to have this restriction at a standard range. Same with the rules of loading.
kelnos 2y ago
> It can be used for constant, intrusive monitoring, or it can be used for emergencies only. When the child is very young, this is maybe (maybe) fine, but as the child gets older -- likely before their teen years -- there's really no difference between the two from the kid's perspective. They know that, regardless of their parents' stated intentions (the latter, hopefully), they are just a few taps away from knowing the kid is not quite exactly where they're supposed to be. It's stifling. I frankly feel so lucky that I grew up when I did, in the 80s and 90s, when technology was just starting to get really cool, but not quite into this dystopian panopticon 1984 nightmare that we seem to be getting into today.

by GuB-42 2y ago

godelski 2y ago

> who know the place very well and are trained to deal with such a situation This comment surprises me and I suggests to me that you were not in Boy Scouts (I even worked at a camp for several summers when I was 18/19). Tbh, most of the people in charge of groups are just figuring it out themselves (camps/OOTA/Varsity tend to be a bit better, but I mean camps are run by teenagers and people in their early 20's). The danger isn't actually that high, though it may appear that way to those with no experience. IME I had more issues with adults than the scouts. As an example, I had several adults point an (unloaded![0]) shotgun in the direction of people, but never had a scout do this. Often because they wanted pictures... Of course, if someone gets seriously lost, there are means to get help. But that's most likely the forestry service. [0] We only load a single round and only when the person is ready to fire. So there is only one weapon loaded at any given time but weapons are __strictly__ treated as if loaded at all times. Weapons must also strictly be pointed down range (and not at the ground and not at the sky). Breaking these rules results in an immediate ejection from the range, and unfortunately has lead to troops being ejected because their leaders were (age requirements).

sersi 2y ago
I'm curious why not pointing the weapon at the ground? (I've never been to a firing range so this might be a stupid question)
- godelski 2y ago
  Shooting yourself in the foot isn't just a figure of speech. Fwiw, you're not going to have this restriction at a standard range. Same with the rules of loading.

kelnos 2y ago

> It can be used for constant, intrusive monitoring, or it can be used for emergencies only. When the child is very young, this is maybe (maybe) fine, but as the child gets older -- likely before their teen years -- there's really no difference between the two from the kid's perspective. They know that, regardless of their parents' stated intentions (the latter, hopefully), they are just a few taps away from knowing the kid is not quite exactly where they're supposed to be. It's stifling. I frankly feel so lucky that I grew up when I did, in the 80s and 90s, when technology was just starting to get really cool, but not quite into this dystopian panopticon 1984 nightmare that we seem to be getting into today.