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The protesters held Ottawa captive while demanding the current democratically elected government be replaced by the government of their liking, without an elect

The protesters held Ottawa captive while demanding the current democratically elected government be replaced by the government of their liking, without an election. It was very similar to the first few days of the Easter Uprising in Ireland in 1916, except with trucks. A large group of people held key infrastructure hostage, with unreasonable demands that would not be met. Those claiming otherwise need everyone to believe their side is the victim.

naasking 2y ago
> The protesters held Ottawa captive while demanding the current democratically elected government be replaced by the government of their liking, without an election. I asked for a citation. If this is literally what the protest organizers did, then it should be easy to provide one. Their official Facebook page where they published their official position is still up.
- richardlblair 2y ago
  You know as much as I do that finding 2 yr old content is brutal. Especially given the volume of shitty media coverage the convoy received. If you care enough about challenging your own beliefs, and if it's so easy, you'll do it yourself. I'm not going to waste my time and energy trying to convince random strangers on the internet. I know better.
Manuel_D 2y ago
> while demanding the current democratically elected government be replaced by the government of their liking, without an election Do you have any evidence for this beyond simply postulating it as fact? I'd be really interested in seeing who in the convoy, and what proportion of people, were making these demands. And no, it was not like the Easter Uprising. The Easter Uprising saw armed insurrectionists kill over a hundred government personnel and hundreds of civilians. This kind of comparison does not give me confidence in your analysis of the protest.
- richardlblair 2y ago
  If you read Agony at Easter by Thomas Coffee, which has a minute by minute account, you will see the importance of 'first few days'. There are many many simularities.
  - Manuel_D 2y ago
    For the third time the central claim in your comments, that the Ottawa protestors sought to overthrow the government, remains completely unsubstantiated. Who said this, and on what basis is it a fair characterization of the >10,000 people who attended the protest?
    - richardlblair 2y ago
      The leaders stated on multiple occasions that their goal was for the conservatives to take power. I'm not going to waste my time searching the internet for something you're fully capable of doing yourself. You know damn well that was their goal.
      - Manuel_D 2y ago
        One can take power through elections, it's a massive leap to go from "take power" to "overthrow". There are legitimate means of taking power. And again, this is the fourth time that you've just postulated this as fact rather than linking to the protest leaders' actual statements. I have searched the internet for any such statements calling for a forceful overthrow of the Canadian government, and I have not found any. No, I don't know that was their goal, and nothing in my searches indicate that it was. If you're serious about convincing people that the protestors posed a legitimate threat to democracy, you need to do a lot better than making claims with no evidence and telling people do their own research.
        richardlblair 2y ago
        I don't need to do anything. I remember it all vividly, and that's good enough for me. I know better than waste my time trying to change the minds of random strangers on the internet.

naasking 2y ago

> The protesters held Ottawa captive while demanding the current democratically elected government be replaced by the government of their liking, without an election. I asked for a citation. If this is literally what the protest organizers did, then it should be easy to provide one. Their official Facebook page where they published their official position is still up.

richardlblair 2y ago
You know as much as I do that finding 2 yr old content is brutal. Especially given the volume of shitty media coverage the convoy received. If you care enough about challenging your own beliefs, and if it's so easy, you'll do it yourself. I'm not going to waste my time and energy trying to convince random strangers on the internet. I know better.

Manuel_D 2y ago

> while demanding the current democratically elected government be replaced by the government of their liking, without an election Do you have any evidence for this beyond simply postulating it as fact? I'd be really interested in seeing who in the convoy, and what proportion of people, were making these demands. And no, it was not like the Easter Uprising. The Easter Uprising saw armed insurrectionists kill over a hundred government personnel and hundreds of civilians. This kind of comparison does not give me confidence in your analysis of the protest.

richardlblair 2y ago
If you read Agony at Easter by Thomas Coffee, which has a minute by minute account, you will see the importance of 'first few days'. There are many many simularities.
- Manuel_D 2y ago
  For the third time the central claim in your comments, that the Ottawa protestors sought to overthrow the government, remains completely unsubstantiated. Who said this, and on what basis is it a fair characterization of the >10,000 people who attended the protest?
  - richardlblair 2y ago
    The leaders stated on multiple occasions that their goal was for the conservatives to take power. I'm not going to waste my time searching the internet for something you're fully capable of doing yourself. You know damn well that was their goal.
    - Manuel_D 2y ago
      One can take power through elections, it's a massive leap to go from "take power" to "overthrow". There are legitimate means of taking power. And again, this is the fourth time that you've just postulated this as fact rather than linking to the protest leaders' actual statements. I have searched the internet for any such statements calling for a forceful overthrow of the Canadian government, and I have not found any. No, I don't know that was their goal, and nothing in my searches indicate that it was. If you're serious about convincing people that the protestors posed a legitimate threat to democracy, you need to do a lot better than making claims with no evidence and telling people do their own research.
      - richardlblair 2y ago
        I don't need to do anything. I remember it all vividly, and that's good enough for me. I know better than waste my time trying to change the minds of random strangers on the internet.