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I imagine it's also ugly for unhoused people and homelessness has been on the rise for years. So you get beaned by a chunk of ice from the sky and now possibly
by DoreenMichele 2y ago
I imagine it's also ugly for unhoused people and homelessness has been on the rise for years. So you get beaned by a chunk of ice from the sky and now possibly have neurological issues on top of whatever else and may not see a doctor.
- ars 2y agoThese storms build up over a period of time, I would imagine they would seek shelter under a tree or in a doorway as soon as one started up. Feel bad for livestock though!
- rqtwteye 2y agoThe hail in Munich I wrote about above started like a normal thunderstorm until suddenly all hell broke loose. I cant imagine homeless people will get enough warning to get away.
- wakawaka28 2y agoExactly... Homeless people are smart enough to take cover, but animals don't necessarily know. Even if they do, they can find themselves far from any cover.
- rascul 2y agoThe animals on the farm I work at sometimes know a storm is coming and will find cover. My dogs know a storm is coming and want to play in it.
- ljf 2y agoAbout 25 years ago (about this time of year) I was in Sydney, Australia - I was in a hostel and popped to the minibus to read their A2Z maps to look up a job I was heading to. I was a mild autumn day, maybe 16c. As I got in the van I heard a clonk, and thought someone threw a stone at the van, then another, and another - suddenly sweeping down the street was a wall of huge hailstones as big as cricket balls - they fell for about 3 minutes then stopped. You would have had a short time to run and hide - but if you were in a tent it would be horrible and potentially dangerous - equally if you were out somewhere open without cover. The damage to roofs and cars was massive. I'm sure they gave some exception to driving with broken windscreens as so many were broken at one time, that loads of cars couldn't get theirs replaced. Edit - realised their must be a Wikipedia article about it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Sydney_hailstorm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Sydney_hailstorm
- yakshaving_jgt 2y agoI remember this storm. I was living in Bundeena at the time. The damage to everyone’s cars was indeed huge. It’s a miracle more people weren’t killed.
- netsharc 2y agoDamn, I realize I was there too, I was living in Sydney at that time, but since I was renting I wasn't worried about damage to my own property. I remember my best friend telling me his dad's Saab had microdents and insurance got them a new Saab.
- phyzome 2y agoYou'd have time to notice a storm of some sort was coming, but the actual hail often arrives quite suddenly.
- giraffe_lady 2y agoBelieve it or not HN comments dehumanizing homeless people come up so often that I started saving links to them about a year ago, and now I have a few dozens. This is probably the most literal example though. It's foul.
- DoreenMichele 2y agoYour data set sounds interesting though I hesitate to suggest publishing it for various reasons. I upvoted you for having data. I imagine your comment won't fare well though.
- ars 2y agoI'll probably regret asking, but how is it dehumanizing? I said that as humans they would be able to find shelter, but an animal would not. Isn't that almost exactly the opposite of dehumanizing?
- giraffe_lady 2y agoYou dismissed the concern about homeless people instead redirecting to your empathy for farm animals. A lot of humans are disabled, or are young children, or have a cognitive impairment, or are otherwise limited in their ability to act on a weather warning. Homeless people aren't an even slice of the population but all of these groups are represented.
- ars 2y agoIt's "dehumanizing" to assume a human is capable of acting like a human? And I think you have a rather low opinion of homeless people.
- giraffe_lady 2y agoYes, defining "human" in terms of capability that not everyone has is dehumanizing. Really is that simple. I spent many years in and out of homelessness and still have deep ties to people out there. I have more respect for them than I do for most people around here frankly.
- hi-v-rocknroll 2y agoTBIs are real, and a TBI from a chunk that size going 60-100 mph can be lethal if not disabling. Lubbock, in this one instance, has maybe ~700 unhoused individuals. It would be worse in cities like Austin where there are ~7000 unhoused individuals. (Note that most unhoused population censuses wildly undercount.) Unhoused people have wildly varying afflictions or sometimes none at all of substances, mental health, motivation, encouragement, engagement, socialization problems, legal barriers, and lack of resources. There are a slim few sane, healthy, nonsmoker, nondrinkers, not completely destitute, but maybe elderly who through choice or life circumstances lack housing. And, there is a mental health crisis in America where people experiencing psychosis are especially vulnerable when they lack ID and cannot fill out MedicAid or Medicare SSDI forms.
- DoreenMichele 2y agoTBI = "total brain injury" iirc from my insurance industry days.
- votepaunchy 2y agoTraumatic Brain Injury https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/8874-traumatic-brain-injury https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/8874-traumati...
- wakawaka28 2y agoHail can kill people, but homeless people are almost always within reach of cover. In the types of conditions that hail develops, they are usually not standing out in the open. Almost nobody stands in the rain, much less hailstorms.
- quantified 2y agoNot to mention any other animal more delicate than a sheep...