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Right, it's EU parents or refugee parents. Nobody else lives here like actual, highly qualified people that countries like Germany are begging to import before

by avh02 2y ago

Right, it's EU parents or refugee parents. Nobody else lives here like actual, highly qualified people that countries like Germany are begging to import before all the "natives" retire.

Rinzler89 2y ago
>highly qualified people that countries like Germany are begging to import Begging isn't enough to get you the best people. You need to pay them well first since "begging" doesn't pay rent. You also need to respect them and give them a high status in society, not treat them like second hand citizens because they don't speak your language well enough and are struggling to navigate your (often discriminatory) bureaucracy.
Gud 2y ago
Full disclosure: I am a migrant internal to Europe(Scandinavia > Switzerland). My wife is an indian national with a University degree. I am personally pretty pro migration. But who is doing this "begging"? I doubt it's the working classes of Europe. More concrete, I suspect this "begging" is done by the owning class so they can have cheaper labor for their industries. To the working man of Europe, it seems to me the current migration scheme is a net loss.
- gizajob 2y ago
  You just described the main reason for Brexit.
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    Brexit didn't fix the populations' immigration issues. They just replaced European migration with Asian and African migration.
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  >I suspect this "begging" is done by the owning class so they can have cheaper labor for their industries And to have more rentoids to push up the real estate prices and fund their pensions. I call this being "cannon fodder" for the economy. >I am a migrant internal to Europe(Scandinavia > Switzerland) Can I ask what brought you from Scandinavia to Switzerland? AFAIK life is already quite good in Scandinavia.
  - Gud 2y ago
    > Can I ask what brought you from Scandinavia to Switzerland? AFAIK life is already quite good in Scandinavia. Life is great in Scandinavia if you fit the mold. Switzerland and especially Zürich is extremely heterogeneous.
- avh02 2y ago
  the government is begging, because birth rates don't sustain the population which is aging out, and if you want to keep your economy in those conditions you either bring in people, or encourage reproduction (which has a lag). or let your economy shrink and don't complain when things are worse than they were when you were a kid. you can't have your cake and eat it too. edit: all of this is beside the point anyway - my point was there exists a way to legally live here, contribute to the society, yet not be an EU citizen that the person above completely forgot about. As for cheaper labour - i'm not sure for most companies they end up with cheap labour exclusively from refugees, you can find cheap labour from within the EU as well.
CalRobert 2y ago
Germany is a joke paying pathetic wages.

by avh02 2y ago

Right, it's EU parents or refugee parents. Nobody else lives here like actual, highly qualified people that countries like Germany are begging to import before all the "natives" retire.

Rinzler89 2y ago

>highly qualified people that countries like Germany are begging to import Begging isn't enough to get you the best people. You need to pay them well first since "begging" doesn't pay rent. You also need to respect them and give them a high status in society, not treat them like second hand citizens because they don't speak your language well enough and are struggling to navigate your (often discriminatory) bureaucracy.

Gud 2y ago

Full disclosure: I am a migrant internal to Europe(Scandinavia > Switzerland). My wife is an indian national with a University degree. I am personally pretty pro migration. But who is doing this "begging"? I doubt it's the working classes of Europe. More concrete, I suspect this "begging" is done by the owning class so they can have cheaper labor for their industries. To the working man of Europe, it seems to me the current migration scheme is a net loss.

gizajob 2y ago
You just described the main reason for Brexit.
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  Brexit didn't fix the populations' immigration issues. They just replaced European migration with Asian and African migration.
Rinzler89 2y ago
>I suspect this "begging" is done by the owning class so they can have cheaper labor for their industries And to have more rentoids to push up the real estate prices and fund their pensions. I call this being "cannon fodder" for the economy. >I am a migrant internal to Europe(Scandinavia > Switzerland) Can I ask what brought you from Scandinavia to Switzerland? AFAIK life is already quite good in Scandinavia.
- Gud 2y ago
  > Can I ask what brought you from Scandinavia to Switzerland? AFAIK life is already quite good in Scandinavia. Life is great in Scandinavia if you fit the mold. Switzerland and especially Zürich is extremely heterogeneous.
avh02 2y ago
the government is begging, because birth rates don't sustain the population which is aging out, and if you want to keep your economy in those conditions you either bring in people, or encourage reproduction (which has a lag). or let your economy shrink and don't complain when things are worse than they were when you were a kid. you can't have your cake and eat it too. edit: all of this is beside the point anyway - my point was there exists a way to legally live here, contribute to the society, yet not be an EU citizen that the person above completely forgot about. As for cheaper labour - i'm not sure for most companies they end up with cheap labour exclusively from refugees, you can find cheap labour from within the EU as well.

CalRobert 2y ago

Germany is a joke paying pathetic wages.