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You weren’t there and are full of shit. What else have you been told?

by adamomada 2y ago

richardlblair 2y ago
You have no idea if I'm full of shit or not.
- ImJamal 2y ago
  Then maybe you should provide a source as somebody else has asked you to do to show you are not full of shit?
  - richardlblair 2y ago
    Whether convoy supporters think I'm right or not doesn't particularly matter to me. You all have an internet connection, look it up. It's not hard to find. Edit - a friend provided me with the following article. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00027642231166885#bibr42-00027642231166885 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00027642231166... Enjoy
    - ImJamal 2y ago
      I'll admit that article was quite long so I skimmed it and as such I might have missed something. The only thing I saw that even alluded to racism was saying one of the early people involved with the movement may have been racist. If that is all you have then that is extremely weak. Plenty of movements don't have the best people in them...
      - richardlblair 2y ago
        There were literal Nazi flag present. The article linked was in reference to their weak ass attempt to overthrow the government.
        naasking 2y ago
        > There were literal Nazi flag present. And when that happened, it was immediately taken down by the rest of the protesters. Just admit that you fell for the alarmist propaganda and move on with your life.
        richardlblair 2y ago
        I fell for propaganda? Listen to yourself. You're standing by a group of people who associated with Nazis (there were more than one group with flags, and they were not immediately removed as you claim.). A group who made it clear they wanted the conservatives to take over. Just because they sucked at communication, their demands changed minute by minute, doesn't mean that wasn't their intent. They absolutely tried to do this. Stop being an apologist to a horrific group of people. They are so far from what represents this country and our democracy.
        ImJamal 2y ago
        Are you suggesting that if somebody flies a flag at a rally that means everybody in the rally supports the ideology of the flag? If I go to some politician that has your same ideology and fly a Nazi flag does that make you a Nazi or would it just be me who is the Nazi?
        naasking 2y ago
        > (there were more than one group with flags, and they were not immediately removed as you claim.) Prove it. What groups? Where were they? How many people were in these groups? > Just because they sucked at communication, their demands changed minute by minute, doesn't mean that wasn't their intent. They absolutely tried to do this. It sounds like you suck at communication since you cannot substantiate your claims that they wanted to overthrow the government, nor substantiate your claims that they were white nationalists, nor substantiate your claims that they wanted the conservatives to take power. And even if "they wanted the conservatives to take power", that's ambiguous at best, and does not at all amount to "overthrowing the government". A democratic no-confidence vote could qualify as the conservatives taking over, but that doesn't qualify as overthrowing the democratically elected government. Broad protests that lead to a no-confidence vote is the definition of democracy in action. So yes, you fell for alarmist propaganda from the media that had clear incentives to sensationalize what was happening. Which isn't to say the protest was legal or without problems, but the things you're saying about it simply aren't true.
      - Manuel_D 2y ago
        I read through the entire article. Nowhere does it allege that the protestors sought to overthrow the government. If it did, Richard would have actually quoted.
richardlblair 2y ago
It's hilarious how emotionally invested you are in something you did not attend, and knew no one there. If anyone is spewing shit, it's you mate. Calm down and get a hobby.
- adamomada 2y ago
  I personally know two people who travelled from Toronto area to attend. I couldn’t because of a shitty situation but followed along with the live YouTube casts, which (for anyone who cares) will prove you wrong I Know you are full of shit, therefore I know you know you are full of shit My hobby is calling bullshit and it is fun. There’s so much of it! Edit: for extra context, the two people who took major time out of their lives to do this, one was in the Canadian Forces when they were younger (not at the time obv) and the other came to Canada in the early 90s after their government wrecked their country and was watching in horror of it happening to them again
  - richardlblair 2y ago
    You're full of shit.
- Manuel_D 2y ago
  Can you elaborate on what you mean by, "their goal was to overthrow the democratically elected Government"? This could mean a whole lot of things, like voting out the incumbents in the next election - and sure I'll readily believe that the protestors were calling for that. But "overthrow" reads to me like the protestors sought to forcefully remove and replace the existing government. In other words, a coup. That is a very different statement, and one I would really like you to substantiate with evidence if that's what you're trying to claim.
  - richardlblair 2y ago
    The protesters held Ottawa captive while demanding the current democratically elected government be replaced by the government of their liking, without an election. It was very similar to the first few days of the Easter Uprising in Ireland in 1916, except with trucks. A large group of people held key infrastructure hostage, with unreasonable demands that would not be met. Those claiming otherwise need everyone to believe their side is the victim.

You weren’t there and are full of shit. What else have you been told?

richardlblair 2y ago

You have no idea if I'm full of shit or not.

ImJamal 2y ago
Then maybe you should provide a source as somebody else has asked you to do to show you are not full of shit?
- richardlblair 2y ago
  Whether convoy supporters think I'm right or not doesn't particularly matter to me. You all have an internet connection, look it up. It's not hard to find. Edit - a friend provided me with the following article. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00027642231166885#bibr42-00027642231166885 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00027642231166... Enjoy
  - ImJamal 2y ago
    I'll admit that article was quite long so I skimmed it and as such I might have missed something. The only thing I saw that even alluded to racism was saying one of the early people involved with the movement may have been racist. If that is all you have then that is extremely weak. Plenty of movements don't have the best people in them...
    - richardlblair 2y ago
      There were literal Nazi flag present. The article linked was in reference to their weak ass attempt to overthrow the government.
      - naasking 2y ago
        > There were literal Nazi flag present. And when that happened, it was immediately taken down by the rest of the protesters. Just admit that you fell for the alarmist propaganda and move on with your life.
        richardlblair 2y ago
        I fell for propaganda? Listen to yourself. You're standing by a group of people who associated with Nazis (there were more than one group with flags, and they were not immediately removed as you claim.). A group who made it clear they wanted the conservatives to take over. Just because they sucked at communication, their demands changed minute by minute, doesn't mean that wasn't their intent. They absolutely tried to do this. Stop being an apologist to a horrific group of people. They are so far from what represents this country and our democracy.
        ImJamal 2y ago
        Are you suggesting that if somebody flies a flag at a rally that means everybody in the rally supports the ideology of the flag? If I go to some politician that has your same ideology and fly a Nazi flag does that make you a Nazi or would it just be me who is the Nazi?
        naasking 2y ago
        > (there were more than one group with flags, and they were not immediately removed as you claim.) Prove it. What groups? Where were they? How many people were in these groups? > Just because they sucked at communication, their demands changed minute by minute, doesn't mean that wasn't their intent. They absolutely tried to do this. It sounds like you suck at communication since you cannot substantiate your claims that they wanted to overthrow the government, nor substantiate your claims that they were white nationalists, nor substantiate your claims that they wanted the conservatives to take power. And even if "they wanted the conservatives to take power", that's ambiguous at best, and does not at all amount to "overthrowing the government". A democratic no-confidence vote could qualify as the conservatives taking over, but that doesn't qualify as overthrowing the democratically elected government. Broad protests that lead to a no-confidence vote is the definition of democracy in action. So yes, you fell for alarmist propaganda from the media that had clear incentives to sensationalize what was happening. Which isn't to say the protest was legal or without problems, but the things you're saying about it simply aren't true.
    - Manuel_D 2y ago
      I read through the entire article. Nowhere does it allege that the protestors sought to overthrow the government. If it did, Richard would have actually quoted.

richardlblair 2y ago

It's hilarious how emotionally invested you are in something you did not attend, and knew no one there. If anyone is spewing shit, it's you mate. Calm down and get a hobby.

adamomada 2y ago
I personally know two people who travelled from Toronto area to attend. I couldn’t because of a shitty situation but followed along with the live YouTube casts, which (for anyone who cares) will prove you wrong I Know you are full of shit, therefore I know you know you are full of shit My hobby is calling bullshit and it is fun. There’s so much of it! Edit: for extra context, the two people who took major time out of their lives to do this, one was in the Canadian Forces when they were younger (not at the time obv) and the other came to Canada in the early 90s after their government wrecked their country and was watching in horror of it happening to them again
- richardlblair 2y ago
  You're full of shit.
Manuel_D 2y ago
Can you elaborate on what you mean by, "their goal was to overthrow the democratically elected Government"? This could mean a whole lot of things, like voting out the incumbents in the next election - and sure I'll readily believe that the protestors were calling for that. But "overthrow" reads to me like the protestors sought to forcefully remove and replace the existing government. In other words, a coup. That is a very different statement, and one I would really like you to substantiate with evidence if that's what you're trying to claim.
- richardlblair 2y ago
  The protesters held Ottawa captive while demanding the current democratically elected government be replaced by the government of their liking, without an election. It was very similar to the first few days of the Easter Uprising in Ireland in 1916, except with trucks. A large group of people held key infrastructure hostage, with unreasonable demands that would not be met. Those claiming otherwise need everyone to believe their side is the victim.