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The shoebox (affectionate) 2024 Fiat 500e is $33k. How is a Jeep EV going to be $25k?

lvspiff 2y ago
I'm assuming EV doesnt stand for what we think it stands for. When I think Jeep i think....Extremely Volatile? Explodes Violently? Evidently Vexatious?
bottle_roket 2y ago
My guess is that they mean “$25k including potential federal and state rebates” which actually means 33k for the base model that will have a 6 month order lag time.
- bradlys 2y ago
  It’ll be for a base model that they don’t actually sell at dealerships at all. The ones rolling onto lots will still be $50k+ Genuinely: why does anyone believe almost anything these guys say? They’re not going to be honest - it’s their fiduciary responsibility to be dishonest.
  - tfandango 2y ago
    It could be a 25K Jeep, but requires 1k/month of maintenance that must be performed at a dealership.
zoeysmithe 2y ago
Because that car is a highly stylish car aimed at upper middle class people, and has the styling, pricing, and marketing to match. The Jeep is going to be midmarket with probably a lot of cost-cutting features. Probably not as nice fit and finish and such and will probably hit the $25k price point, after the $7500 subsidy. If I had to guess it might be an electric version of the ICE Jeep Compass which starts at $25k. EV motors and batteries are reaching an economic point where they are becoming practically drop-in replacements for ICE drivetrains. The engine, drivetrain, emissions, etc stuff is also expensive. Assembly I imagine is cheaper too because electric cars are simpler machines.
- fire_lake 2y ago
  The ICE Fiat 500 is a cheap car in Europe. Is it different in the USA?
  - asciimov 2y ago
    Stateside a decade ago the Fiat 500 was a cheap garbage tier vehicle. Nowadays, they make an expensive car, that is likely still garbage tier.
  - notaustinpowers 2y ago
    They're expensive if you're buying them new. But they quickly depreciated in value and back when they still sold their ICE models here it was easy to buy a 2-3yo one for around $12k.
snakeyjake 2y ago
I don't know how much of a battery's cost is yet to be reduced by scale and process improvements, but it isn't $0. Maybe?
rsynnott 2y ago
While it is of course most improper on this website to read the article: > Tavares disclosed few details about the upcoming vehicle, saying it will be priced around $25,000 in the U.S. to emulate Stellantis’ pricing of the Citroen e-C3 SUV, a low-cost model starting at 23,300 euros, or about $25,200, in Europe. I mean, reading between the lines, they all but say that it's going to be same platform as the e-C3; Citroen and Jeep are both members of the big happy family of car brands everyone had forgotten existed that is Stellantis. (Stellantis does seem to be slightly getting its act together now, but for quite a while it really was just a bunch of "wait, they still make those?" brands). That said there's actually a 25k EUR version of the e500 available here; possibly the US only gets the higher trim levels or something?

I'm assuming EV doesnt stand for what we think it stands for. When I think Jeep i think....Extremely Volatile? Explodes Violently? Evidently Vexatious?

bottle_roket 2y ago

My guess is that they mean “$25k including potential federal and state rebates” which actually means 33k for the base model that will have a 6 month order lag time.

bradlys 2y ago
It’ll be for a base model that they don’t actually sell at dealerships at all. The ones rolling onto lots will still be $50k+ Genuinely: why does anyone believe almost anything these guys say? They’re not going to be honest - it’s their fiduciary responsibility to be dishonest.
- tfandango 2y ago
  It could be a 25K Jeep, but requires 1k/month of maintenance that must be performed at a dealership.

zoeysmithe 2y ago

Because that car is a highly stylish car aimed at upper middle class people, and has the styling, pricing, and marketing to match. The Jeep is going to be midmarket with probably a lot of cost-cutting features. Probably not as nice fit and finish and such and will probably hit the $25k price point, after the $7500 subsidy. If I had to guess it might be an electric version of the ICE Jeep Compass which starts at $25k. EV motors and batteries are reaching an economic point where they are becoming practically drop-in replacements for ICE drivetrains. The engine, drivetrain, emissions, etc stuff is also expensive. Assembly I imagine is cheaper too because electric cars are simpler machines.

fire_lake 2y ago
The ICE Fiat 500 is a cheap car in Europe. Is it different in the USA?
- asciimov 2y ago
  Stateside a decade ago the Fiat 500 was a cheap garbage tier vehicle. Nowadays, they make an expensive car, that is likely still garbage tier.
- notaustinpowers 2y ago
  They're expensive if you're buying them new. But they quickly depreciated in value and back when they still sold their ICE models here it was easy to buy a 2-3yo one for around $12k.

snakeyjake 2y ago

I don't know how much of a battery's cost is yet to be reduced by scale and process improvements, but it isn't $0. Maybe?

rsynnott 2y ago

While it is of course most improper on this website to read the article: > Tavares disclosed few details about the upcoming vehicle, saying it will be priced around $25,000 in the U.S. to emulate Stellantis’ pricing of the Citroen e-C3 SUV, a low-cost model starting at 23,300 euros, or about $25,200, in Europe. I mean, reading between the lines, they all but say that it's going to be same platform as the e-C3; Citroen and Jeep are both members of the big happy family of car brands everyone had forgotten existed that is Stellantis. (Stellantis does seem to be slightly getting its act together now, but for quite a while it really was just a bunch of "wait, they still make those?" brands). That said there's actually a 25k EUR version of the e500 available here; possibly the US only gets the higher trim levels or something?