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I'm interested, but only if its a good deal. Given all the back tracking by GM and Ford on EVs, I'd welcome the Chinese ones to come in and undercut them. Remem

I'm interested, but only if its a good deal. Given all the back tracking by GM and Ford on EVs, I'd welcome the Chinese ones to come in and undercut them. Remember in 2008 when GM et all failed because all they wanted to make were SUVs and no one wanted them, even when they were a roll over hazard that was crushing people to death, and they nearly failed. Then the US Gov bailed them out and they had their shit together for a bit. Well, we are back in the SUV only era. If they don't want to produce the vehicles that we want, let someone else in who does. Then there will be competition and GM et all won't be able to be a one trick SUV pony. Auto makers DO NOT LEARN.

renewiltord 2y ago
Not going to happen. We'll tariff the shit out of the Chinese before we let them take our cars.
- downrightmike 2y ago
  China > Mexico, some assembly required > NAFTA
  - calciphus 2y ago
    My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the tariffs are based on the source location of the battery components. Assembly doesn't matter unless you start mining lithium in NAFTA? That's why it's gonna hit some ebikes and the like.
  - floxy 2y ago
    USMCA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93Mexico%E2%80%93Canada_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93Mexico%E...
- otterley 2y ago
  ...which is a real shame because they are building useful EVs that are safe enough for Western markets at compelling prices. Having access to these could attract a lot of price-sensitive buyers and make a significant dent in US automotive emissions. We don't care that the Chinese are dominating other manufacturing (i.e., consumer goods); why do we suddenly care because it's automobiles?* *Yes, I'm aware of the legacy power of auto worker unions and American Pride.
  - downrightmike 2y ago
    "American Pride." lol, the US Gov killed that a long time ago
Frogeman 2y ago
The market is pushing for all SUVs, more than 70% of new cars sold are SUVs or Trucks. The car companies don't decide to make all SUVs, the consumer decided they only wanted those vehicles and the car companies obliged.
- downrightmike 2y ago
  That's because no one makes a sub $35k car anymore. They have pushed all options to luxury and are not meeting the demand of the market, so you buy what you can get.
  - analyte123 2y ago
    A new Civic, Elantra, or Corolla all have MSRPs under $25k.
    - dylan604 2y ago
      Not one of the cars you just listed are GM et al US makers. Sure, they might be made here, but not one of them is an "American" car.
      - floxy 2y ago
        Chevy Malibu -- starts at $25,100 https://www.chevrolet.com/cars/malibu https://www.chevrolet.com/cars/malibu
        downrightmike 2y ago
        MSRPs aren't actually that low in practice
        floxy 2y ago
        Seems like the Chevy Malibu is currently selling significantly under MSRP: $20,915 -- https://www.jimmckaychevrolet.com/new-Fairfax-2024-Chevrolet-Malibu-RS-1G1ZG5ST9RF190780 https://www.jimmckaychevrolet.com/new-Fairfax-2024-Chevrolet... $20,999 -- https://www.cooperautogroup.com/inventory/new-2024-chevrolet-malibu-ls-fwd-4d-sedan-1g1zb5st3rf186464/ https://www.cooperautogroup.com/inventory/new-2024-chevrolet... $20,665 -- https://www.earnhardtchevrolet.com/new-Chandler-2024-Chevrolet-Malibu-LS-1G1ZB5ST8RF136806 https://www.earnhardtchevrolet.com/new-Chandler-2024-Chevrol... $21,065 -- https://www.graffchevy.com/inventory/new-2024-chevrolet-malibu-rs-front-wheel-drive-sedan-1g1zg5st8rf195047/ https://www.graffchevy.com/inventory/new-2024-chevrolet-mali... $21,995 -- https://www.homewoodchevy.com/inventory/new-2024-chevrolet-malibu-ls-front-wheel-drive-sedan-1g1zb5stxrf220819/ https://www.homewoodchevy.com/inventory/new-2024-chevrolet-m...
wannacboatmovie 2y ago
> I'd welcome the Chinese ones to come in and undercut them Actually I'd rather the Chinese not saturate the market with their underpriced garbage and destroy what little manufacturing jobs the US has left, just so you can own an AliExpress EV.
- otterley 2y ago
  Have you experienced a $25k Chinese EV yet? Reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwkanuoalns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwkanuoalns
megablast 2y ago
> GM et all failed because all they wanted to make were SUVs and no one wanted them, even when they were a roll over hazard that was crushing people to death, and they nearly failed Except everyone does want them, and even bigger trucks. They dominate sales.
- otterley 2y ago
  In the late 2000s, when gas was $6+/gallon nationwide, SUV sales tanked. Automobile factories were furiously retooling to build small cars again. GM and Chrysler lost their shirts. (Ford made it out bruised but not broken.) Then when gas became cheap again in the 2010s, SUVs became popular again, and everyone retooled again to build them.

renewiltord 2y ago

Not going to happen. We'll tariff the shit out of the Chinese before we let them take our cars.

downrightmike 2y ago
China > Mexico, some assembly required > NAFTA
- calciphus 2y ago
  My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the tariffs are based on the source location of the battery components. Assembly doesn't matter unless you start mining lithium in NAFTA? That's why it's gonna hit some ebikes and the like.
- floxy 2y ago
  USMCA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93Mexico%E2%80%93Canada_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93Mexico%E...
otterley 2y ago
...which is a real shame because they are building useful EVs that are safe enough for Western markets at compelling prices. Having access to these could attract a lot of price-sensitive buyers and make a significant dent in US automotive emissions. We don't care that the Chinese are dominating other manufacturing (i.e., consumer goods); why do we suddenly care because it's automobiles?* *Yes, I'm aware of the legacy power of auto worker unions and American Pride.
- downrightmike 2y ago
  "American Pride." lol, the US Gov killed that a long time ago

Frogeman 2y ago

The market is pushing for all SUVs, more than 70% of new cars sold are SUVs or Trucks. The car companies don't decide to make all SUVs, the consumer decided they only wanted those vehicles and the car companies obliged.

downrightmike 2y ago
That's because no one makes a sub $35k car anymore. They have pushed all options to luxury and are not meeting the demand of the market, so you buy what you can get.
- analyte123 2y ago
  A new Civic, Elantra, or Corolla all have MSRPs under $25k.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    Not one of the cars you just listed are GM et al US makers. Sure, they might be made here, but not one of them is an "American" car.
    - floxy 2y ago
      Chevy Malibu -- starts at $25,100 https://www.chevrolet.com/cars/malibu https://www.chevrolet.com/cars/malibu
      - downrightmike 2y ago
        MSRPs aren't actually that low in practice
        floxy 2y ago
        Seems like the Chevy Malibu is currently selling significantly under MSRP: $20,915 -- https://www.jimmckaychevrolet.com/new-Fairfax-2024-Chevrolet-Malibu-RS-1G1ZG5ST9RF190780 https://www.jimmckaychevrolet.com/new-Fairfax-2024-Chevrolet... $20,999 -- https://www.cooperautogroup.com/inventory/new-2024-chevrolet-malibu-ls-fwd-4d-sedan-1g1zb5st3rf186464/ https://www.cooperautogroup.com/inventory/new-2024-chevrolet... $20,665 -- https://www.earnhardtchevrolet.com/new-Chandler-2024-Chevrolet-Malibu-LS-1G1ZB5ST8RF136806 https://www.earnhardtchevrolet.com/new-Chandler-2024-Chevrol... $21,065 -- https://www.graffchevy.com/inventory/new-2024-chevrolet-malibu-rs-front-wheel-drive-sedan-1g1zg5st8rf195047/ https://www.graffchevy.com/inventory/new-2024-chevrolet-mali... $21,995 -- https://www.homewoodchevy.com/inventory/new-2024-chevrolet-malibu-ls-front-wheel-drive-sedan-1g1zb5stxrf220819/ https://www.homewoodchevy.com/inventory/new-2024-chevrolet-m...

wannacboatmovie 2y ago

> I'd welcome the Chinese ones to come in and undercut them Actually I'd rather the Chinese not saturate the market with their underpriced garbage and destroy what little manufacturing jobs the US has left, just so you can own an AliExpress EV.

otterley 2y ago
Have you experienced a $25k Chinese EV yet? Reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwkanuoalns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwkanuoalns

megablast 2y ago

> GM et all failed because all they wanted to make were SUVs and no one wanted them, even when they were a roll over hazard that was crushing people to death, and they nearly failed Except everyone does want them, and even bigger trucks. They dominate sales.

otterley 2y ago
In the late 2000s, when gas was $6+/gallon nationwide, SUV sales tanked. Automobile factories were furiously retooling to build small cars again. GM and Chrysler lost their shirts. (Ford made it out bruised but not broken.) Then when gas became cheap again in the 2010s, SUVs became popular again, and everyone retooled again to build them.