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> The EU is about to swing politically quite far to the right in a couple of weeks time. Chat control is just the beginning. Not that I disagree with you but t

> The EU is about to swing politically quite far to the right in a couple of weeks time. Chat control is just the beginning. Not that I disagree with you but two things... First chat control is put in place by regular political parties, not far-right ones. Then it's the regular parties, by trampling with their boots on the face of EU citizens, imposing them things they didn't ask for, that made EU citizens decide to vote far-right. I don't know if the far-right is going to win but many of those who are going to vote far-right are going to do it because they've seen tens of millions of african and middle-eastern refugees imposed on to them. We're talking about a sizeable percentage of the entire EU population now being composed of refugees, arriving illegally in the EU (for the first time ever in 2024 there are going to be more refugees coming in in a year than babies born from EU parents). Many in the EU simply cannot stand anymore to see their countries becoming third-world countries in a timeframe of mere years.

gizajob 2y ago
Yeah… not good. Particularly for a political organisation set up to counter and repair the damage caused by fascism. On both sides of the political spectrum, politicians act as if society simply doesn’t exist. Plus even if it’s not far right, it’s moving rightward as a response to the overarching and opaque system of governance that has been put in place that common people cannot do anything about. It’s one of the primary reasons for Brexit, and in that case the EU chose to see it as simply “a British problem” rather than taking pause to think whether there are serious systemic flaws in the EU that contributed to it happening. So now, as usual, Britain is doing the exact opposite to the rest of Europe and about to turn left wing and socialist for at least a decade, and staying out of the fight that will eventually erupt inside the EU, in order to be the ultimate peace keeper who’s job it is to resolve it.
avh02 2y ago
Right, it's EU parents or refugee parents. Nobody else lives here like actual, highly qualified people that countries like Germany are begging to import before all the "natives" retire.
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  >highly qualified people that countries like Germany are begging to import Begging isn't enough to get you the best people. You need to pay them well first since "begging" doesn't pay rent. You also need to respect them and give them a high status in society, not treat them like second hand citizens because they don't speak your language well enough and are struggling to navigate your (often discriminatory) bureaucracy.
- Gud 2y ago
  Full disclosure: I am a migrant internal to Europe(Scandinavia > Switzerland). My wife is an indian national with a University degree. I am personally pretty pro migration. But who is doing this "begging"? I doubt it's the working classes of Europe. More concrete, I suspect this "begging" is done by the owning class so they can have cheaper labor for their industries. To the working man of Europe, it seems to me the current migration scheme is a net loss.
  - gizajob 2y ago
    You just described the main reason for Brexit.
    - Rinzler89 2y ago
      Brexit didn't fix the populations' immigration issues. They just replaced European migration with Asian and African migration.
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    >I suspect this "begging" is done by the owning class so they can have cheaper labor for their industries And to have more rentoids to push up the real estate prices and fund their pensions. I call this being "cannon fodder" for the economy. >I am a migrant internal to Europe(Scandinavia > Switzerland) Can I ask what brought you from Scandinavia to Switzerland? AFAIK life is already quite good in Scandinavia.
    - 2y ago

gizajob 2y ago

Yeah… not good. Particularly for a political organisation set up to counter and repair the damage caused by fascism. On both sides of the political spectrum, politicians act as if society simply doesn’t exist. Plus even if it’s not far right, it’s moving rightward as a response to the overarching and opaque system of governance that has been put in place that common people cannot do anything about. It’s one of the primary reasons for Brexit, and in that case the EU chose to see it as simply “a British problem” rather than taking pause to think whether there are serious systemic flaws in the EU that contributed to it happening. So now, as usual, Britain is doing the exact opposite to the rest of Europe and about to turn left wing and socialist for at least a decade, and staying out of the fight that will eventually erupt inside the EU, in order to be the ultimate peace keeper who’s job it is to resolve it.

avh02 2y ago

Right, it's EU parents or refugee parents. Nobody else lives here like actual, highly qualified people that countries like Germany are begging to import before all the "natives" retire.

Rinzler89 2y ago
>highly qualified people that countries like Germany are begging to import Begging isn't enough to get you the best people. You need to pay them well first since "begging" doesn't pay rent. You also need to respect them and give them a high status in society, not treat them like second hand citizens because they don't speak your language well enough and are struggling to navigate your (often discriminatory) bureaucracy.
Gud 2y ago
Full disclosure: I am a migrant internal to Europe(Scandinavia > Switzerland). My wife is an indian national with a University degree. I am personally pretty pro migration. But who is doing this "begging"? I doubt it's the working classes of Europe. More concrete, I suspect this "begging" is done by the owning class so they can have cheaper labor for their industries. To the working man of Europe, it seems to me the current migration scheme is a net loss.
- gizajob 2y ago
  You just described the main reason for Brexit.
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    Brexit didn't fix the populations' immigration issues. They just replaced European migration with Asian and African migration.
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  >I suspect this "begging" is done by the owning class so they can have cheaper labor for their industries And to have more rentoids to push up the real estate prices and fund their pensions. I call this being "cannon fodder" for the economy. >I am a migrant internal to Europe(Scandinavia > Switzerland) Can I ask what brought you from Scandinavia to Switzerland? AFAIK life is already quite good in Scandinavia.
  - 2y ago