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Anyone else who would be uncomfortable opting your child into location, behavior and health surveillance by the world's largest advertising company?
by janice1999 2y ago
Anyone else who would be uncomfortable opting your child into location, behavior and health surveillance by the world's largest advertising company?
- zooq_ai 2y agoNo. Because I'm not a loser with irrational paranoia and hatred towards corporations undermining my own ability to live a happy, productive life
- dang 2y agoCould you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- wmf 2y agoApple Watch exists if that's what you want.
- janice1999 2y agoDoes Apple have a children's version of their smartwatch? I was not aware of that.
- philomath_mn 2y agoNo, but there are several settings you can enable to make them more kid-friendly (including app limits and school hours)
- bradfa 2y agoAs mentioned by others in this discussion, Apple does have a way to limit the functionality of an Apple Watch, as outlined: https://support.apple.com/en-us/109036 https://support.apple.com/en-us/109036
- vundercind 2y agoYou can do similar things with an iPhone or iPad. Turn off all kinds of stuff entirely, require a request (comes through in the parent’s phone) to override. No Web browsing without asking? Done. No installing apps without asking? Done. Web browsing allowed, but allow-list only? Done. Allow some app, but max one hour per day? Done. Lots of stuff.
- jrexilius 2y agoThat isn't really much better, except that Apples ad network is smaller than googles perhaps?
- RobotToaster 2y agoApple is also an advertising company.
- atonse 2y agoApple doesn't see any of your location data when it comes to Find My. It's usually end-to-end encrypted.
- prepend 2y agoGoogle makes almost all their income from ads. Apple makes almost none.
- standardUser 2y agoApple purposefully leverages its closed ecosystem to generate social friction amongst kids in order to drive hardware sales, making them persona non grata in my book.
- prepend 2y agoI guess you have to pick your poison, then.
- themoonisachees 2y agoNo you don't. You could also simply not drink the poison.
- prepend 2y agoIf they were truly poison, yes. But it’s a figure of speech. I prefer Apple because it’s not nearly as bad. And I like having a phone and laptop.
- okso 2y agoDoes anyone else feel uneasy about the idea of children having to curb their behavior because they know they're being constantly monitored by their parents? This product concerns me not only due to corporate advertising surveillance but also parental spying.
- quaintdev 2y agoAnd then when they finally break free they don't have any feedback mechanism that they had since childhood. This can go both ways. They might turn out to be model citizen or your worst nightmare. People raised children for 1000s of years without any technology. I bet we can do that too.
- philomath_mn 2y agoPossibly -- but we're looking at a smartwatch to give our 7 y.o. _more_ freedom. If he has a way to call home and we can check on his location, I'm much more likely to set him loose in the neighborhood. Something for us to think about, though.
- School-Cotton 2y agoWhat stops you from giving him freedom even without a smartphone?
- philomath_mn 2y agoI am pretty comfortable with him moving around w/o a cell device but it would give my wife peace of mind (which is fair). Plus the convenience of calling him home without driving around.
- ksenzee 2y agoIn the US, the biggest danger to free-range kids is nosy neighbors, who are convinced kids out wandering alone are in danger of… something! Kidnapping? Sex trafficking? Darned if I know. But it’s a huge problem to those of us who want our kids to be free to walk to the corner store. My kid had a woman call the police on him at age 7, in a safe suburban neighborhood, when she wasn’t satisfied with his answers about why he was out alone. Having a phone would have helped: he could have called me right then. (As it is, he ran away before they got there, and I still chuckle wondering what the cops thought about the whole thing.)
- tamimio 2y agoYour kids won’t appreciate it once they grow up and they found out later that their whole childhood been recorded and being used to train AI or even worse, a data breach, since they didn’t have the choice to opt in or out.
- philomath_mn 2y agoI don't think many kids will be bothered that their data was aggregated with thousands of other kids to set the weights in some model in the cloud.
- blibble 2y agoit won't be aggregated though will it it'll be used against them, personally
- ryukoposting 2y agoIs it any worse than giving your kid a smartphone?
- lrvick 2y agoSomeone could offer to pay for their college and retirement and I would still never do it. If you opt your kid into surveillance capitalism, you are the worst type of scum. Remember it was once legal and common to buy children tobacco products.
- cornflake23 2y ago[dead]
- wraptile 2y ago> child into location, behavior and health surveillance I'd argue that children have less stake in privacy than adults. How Google knowing location of my kids could possibly affect them?
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