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I’m glad the page does a call out to the Invisible CG series. I know it’s a quick aside but it’s important for people in the trade to stand by each other. On

by dagmx 2y ago

I’m glad the page does a call out to the Invisible CG series. I know it’s a quick aside but it’s important for people in the trade to stand by each other. On a different note, I am curious though how the page manages to use so much copyright content though. I always think that’s a risky move.

dylan604 2y ago
> use so much copyright content though It's called fair use. They are static shots and not even close to the magical "8 seconds" rule. They are providing dramatic examples that many people are familiar with. Showing the before/after of something your mom shot means nothing to people. Showing extremely famous examples immediately lets people know what is possible and to what extent. I see nothing wrong with any of what was used or how it was used but especially why it was used.
- dagmx 2y ago
  Fair use gets tricky when you intermix it like this. Though I must first call out that there’s no actual 8 second rule. Even with fair use, it’s still good form to attribute it. But more importantly , those images are intermixed among product clips/videos which can fall on the other side of fair use because it may give the impression that they are associated with the product. That can be a tight line to walk and so it’s again usually best to specifically call out that they are there for illustrative purposes.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    Notice the quotes around the "8 seconds" rule. It's not a rule, but that's what it is known as. I mainly know it from the audio world, but it was a common theme/trope/meme in radio shows about using music without royalties. Whether or not it's described in the text of copyright law, it is a common concept people are familiar.
    - dagmx 2y ago
      Nitpickiest of nits: given your intended description, the quotes should be around “rule” not “8 second”. When around “rule”, that implies it’s not really a rule. When around “8 second” it implies that it’s not 8 seconds exactly or it’s what it’s colloquially called, but it would still be a rule. Regardless, the fair use laws are very loose and tend to vary depending on the medium type and association with product. Anyway , I get what you’re saying but given it’s part of a product page, it should at the very least, call out that they’re illustrative and not actually associated.
      - dylan604 2y ago
        Do you really think that this company is implying that they made The Matrix or Dune? It is clearly just an example used to aid in the discussion of the surrounding text. There is no claim of "we used this software to make Dune". If they had, you can assume they would have put that out in some sort of call out in their marketing. If you were confused by the image as them trying to take credit, then boy, I don't know.
        dagmx 2y ago
        I don’t know why you default to being hostile. I’m just stating that they’re intermixing it and that can play into whether it is fair use. I’m not saying that I personally am confused. I’m just saying that intermixing it may give people the wrong assumption if they’re not familiar with these films. Remember, the matrix came out 25 years ago. There’s many people who will likely never see it but will be working in film/cinema etc and use this. I’m not ascribing malice either, just that it’s good form in the industry to delineate clearly. Maybe take it down a few notches or step away from the keyboard.
        dylan604 2y ago
        You are reading way more into these comments than is actually there. Just because someone challenges something you've written does not mean you are being attacked. There's no notches to take it down from.
sandofsky 2y ago
On copyright, we go out of our way to generate original graphics for our posts, but if we do use an excerpt of other people’s content, we keep it brief and link back to source for the full details. Are you referring to the shots from the Matrix and Blade Runner? In this case, I think we’re commenting on the source material, which falls under fair use. I think the imagery is iconic enough that it feels a bit silly to say “this is from The Matrix,” but I could be convinced otherwise.
- dagmx 2y ago
  The matrix, blade runner and the Nicolas cage shot that I can’t identify personally. I think it would still be reasonable to have attribution and/or also say that the projects in question weren’t shot with Kino. Of course it’s obvious that the Matrix isn’t shot with Kino , but I think it’s still good form to caveat that it’s there for illustrative purposes.
  - artimaeis 2y ago
    You're not asking, but in case anyone is curious - the Nicolas Cage shot is from Con Air.
    - dagmx 2y ago
      Ah, thank you. I haven’t seen that film in a couple decades now.

by dagmx 2y ago

dylan604 2y ago

> use so much copyright content though It's called fair use. They are static shots and not even close to the magical "8 seconds" rule. They are providing dramatic examples that many people are familiar with. Showing the before/after of something your mom shot means nothing to people. Showing extremely famous examples immediately lets people know what is possible and to what extent. I see nothing wrong with any of what was used or how it was used but especially why it was used.

dagmx 2y ago
Fair use gets tricky when you intermix it like this. Though I must first call out that there’s no actual 8 second rule. Even with fair use, it’s still good form to attribute it. But more importantly , those images are intermixed among product clips/videos which can fall on the other side of fair use because it may give the impression that they are associated with the product. That can be a tight line to walk and so it’s again usually best to specifically call out that they are there for illustrative purposes.
- dylan604 2y ago
  Notice the quotes around the "8 seconds" rule. It's not a rule, but that's what it is known as. I mainly know it from the audio world, but it was a common theme/trope/meme in radio shows about using music without royalties. Whether or not it's described in the text of copyright law, it is a common concept people are familiar.
  - dagmx 2y ago
    Nitpickiest of nits: given your intended description, the quotes should be around “rule” not “8 second”. When around “rule”, that implies it’s not really a rule. When around “8 second” it implies that it’s not 8 seconds exactly or it’s what it’s colloquially called, but it would still be a rule. Regardless, the fair use laws are very loose and tend to vary depending on the medium type and association with product. Anyway , I get what you’re saying but given it’s part of a product page, it should at the very least, call out that they’re illustrative and not actually associated.
    - dylan604 2y ago
      Do you really think that this company is implying that they made The Matrix or Dune? It is clearly just an example used to aid in the discussion of the surrounding text. There is no claim of "we used this software to make Dune". If they had, you can assume they would have put that out in some sort of call out in their marketing. If you were confused by the image as them trying to take credit, then boy, I don't know.
      - dagmx 2y ago
        I don’t know why you default to being hostile. I’m just stating that they’re intermixing it and that can play into whether it is fair use. I’m not saying that I personally am confused. I’m just saying that intermixing it may give people the wrong assumption if they’re not familiar with these films. Remember, the matrix came out 25 years ago. There’s many people who will likely never see it but will be working in film/cinema etc and use this. I’m not ascribing malice either, just that it’s good form in the industry to delineate clearly. Maybe take it down a few notches or step away from the keyboard.
        dylan604 2y ago
        You are reading way more into these comments than is actually there. Just because someone challenges something you've written does not mean you are being attacked. There's no notches to take it down from.

sandofsky 2y ago

On copyright, we go out of our way to generate original graphics for our posts, but if we do use an excerpt of other people’s content, we keep it brief and link back to source for the full details. Are you referring to the shots from the Matrix and Blade Runner? In this case, I think we’re commenting on the source material, which falls under fair use. I think the imagery is iconic enough that it feels a bit silly to say “this is from The Matrix,” but I could be convinced otherwise.

dagmx 2y ago
The matrix, blade runner and the Nicolas cage shot that I can’t identify personally. I think it would still be reasonable to have attribution and/or also say that the projects in question weren’t shot with Kino. Of course it’s obvious that the Matrix isn’t shot with Kino , but I think it’s still good form to caveat that it’s there for illustrative purposes.
- artimaeis 2y ago
  You're not asking, but in case anyone is curious - the Nicolas Cage shot is from Con Air.
  - dagmx 2y ago
    Ah, thank you. I haven’t seen that film in a couple decades now.