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What a condescending comment. There is always such snarky comments on HN whenever smoking Cannabis is mentioned. I was under the impression that the average HN

by alt227 2y ago

What a condescending comment. There is always such snarky comments on HN whenever smoking Cannabis is mentioned. I was under the impression that the average HN reader had above average intelligence and open mindedness, but posts like this remind me often that isnt true. EDIT: I have apologised for the tone of this post below, and come to a very amicable conclusion with OP.

neilv 2y ago
Can you help me by saying how it is condescending, so I can try to avoid that mistake in the future?
- jamesssssss833 2y ago
  For the record I didn’t consider your post condescending
- speedylight 2y ago
  Don’t worry about it dude, your comment wasn’t condescending at all and is actually a good word of caution for those who like to smoke indoors!
- alt227 2y ago
  Certainly: > False alarms triggered by the marijuana smoke might disrupt their calm >removing batteries and being in a perpetual cloudy-headed state could lead to batteries not getting back in. > if they're smoking from bed, they'll probably need more protection than most people, for detecting smoldering bed sheets These are all very condescending points. They assume that a Cannabis smoker requires a certain level of calm and cant handle anything more, that they are unable to do something as simple as changing batteries, and that they are likely to burn themselves alive in bed. I am assuming you are insinuating that cannabis makes people 'stupid', and if I am wrong this is what your point comes across as. Perhaps next time you might not immediately make such negative statements against a large group of people, even in a sarcastic or jokey way. This is also assuming your last post was serious and you are genuinely interested in how you are putting people down unnecessarily.
  - neilv 2y ago
    Sorry for the offense. I can see how it might be interpreted that way. It wasn't my intent to joke, but actually to care. The article talked about willingly being calm, and caring less, and I honestly don't know whether that would extend to being more prone to the (not-uncommon) practice of removing batteries from an alarm, and then neglecting to put them back in. I've also frequently heard of falling asleep while smoking as being a cause of house fires. FWIW, some of my work has involved safety. And some of my other work has involved human factors engineering, and more generally looking at how people behave in reality, and designing from there. No disrespect intended to people. If you read my comment in that light, does it seem less offensive than before? I'll be more sensitive. Including being aware that I'm not familiar with marijuana, and bound to make incorrect guesses/assumptions, which I now realize could be frustrating to people. And also now being aware that some people might be accustomed to snarky comments around the topic of marijuana, and be on guard against that.
    - alt227 2y ago
      > Sorry for the offense. Wow, what a careful and considered response. Thankyou so much! I retract any snark or sarcasm from myself, apologise for my bluntness, and bow down to your very humble self. If only all interactions online could end this way. Thanks for making my day.
speedylight 2y ago
All he said was that the smoke alarm going off while you’re high might be disturbing to that person; so, they take out the battery and forget to put it back in because weed messes with your short term memory. What’s condescending about that? All he did is speculate and he’s not that far off from reality! For the record many people have died because they fell asleep with a lit cigarette (probably because they’re likely drunk or just very tired) in their hand which then causes a fire. Stupid ass comment!
- alt227 2y ago
  > All he said was that the smoke alarm going off while you’re high might be disturbing to that person No he didnt, he made fun of people who smoke cannabis for being stupid and more likely to kill themselves in an idiotic way. I would have happily engaged in an intelligent comment talking about the dangers of smoking in bed, or even statistics about how smokers are moere likely to die aslepp in fires, but his comment was definitely not these things. >All he did is speculate and he’s not that far off from reality! This comment just shows you have the same condesceding viewpoint, which explains why you are agreeing with him. He is in fact very very far from reality, and if you had an open mind and explored this with other people with different viewpoints from yourself you would realise that pretty quickly.
  - speedylight 2y ago
    If you’re so inclined to engage in intelligent conversation then your first reaction should’ve been to look up those stats yourself and counter with that. The burden of proof is not on him because he clearly prefaced the comment by saying “I’m thinking” which means he’s expressing his own opinion which may or may not be different from facts you can get by analyzing data.
    - alt227 2y ago
      That is fair enough, I agree with you. However I felt that in this instance the OP was poking fun at stereotypes, and that countering it with statistics was the wrong thing to do. However OP has now apologised and I have done the same. Next time I will consider your words, and respond a bit more intelligently. Have a great day!

by alt227 2y ago

neilv 2y ago

Can you help me by saying how it is condescending, so I can try to avoid that mistake in the future?

jamesssssss833 2y ago
For the record I didn’t consider your post condescending
speedylight 2y ago
Don’t worry about it dude, your comment wasn’t condescending at all and is actually a good word of caution for those who like to smoke indoors!
alt227 2y ago
Certainly: > False alarms triggered by the marijuana smoke might disrupt their calm >removing batteries and being in a perpetual cloudy-headed state could lead to batteries not getting back in. > if they're smoking from bed, they'll probably need more protection than most people, for detecting smoldering bed sheets These are all very condescending points. They assume that a Cannabis smoker requires a certain level of calm and cant handle anything more, that they are unable to do something as simple as changing batteries, and that they are likely to burn themselves alive in bed. I am assuming you are insinuating that cannabis makes people 'stupid', and if I am wrong this is what your point comes across as. Perhaps next time you might not immediately make such negative statements against a large group of people, even in a sarcastic or jokey way. This is also assuming your last post was serious and you are genuinely interested in how you are putting people down unnecessarily.
- neilv 2y ago
  Sorry for the offense. I can see how it might be interpreted that way. It wasn't my intent to joke, but actually to care. The article talked about willingly being calm, and caring less, and I honestly don't know whether that would extend to being more prone to the (not-uncommon) practice of removing batteries from an alarm, and then neglecting to put them back in. I've also frequently heard of falling asleep while smoking as being a cause of house fires. FWIW, some of my work has involved safety. And some of my other work has involved human factors engineering, and more generally looking at how people behave in reality, and designing from there. No disrespect intended to people. If you read my comment in that light, does it seem less offensive than before? I'll be more sensitive. Including being aware that I'm not familiar with marijuana, and bound to make incorrect guesses/assumptions, which I now realize could be frustrating to people. And also now being aware that some people might be accustomed to snarky comments around the topic of marijuana, and be on guard against that.
  - alt227 2y ago
    > Sorry for the offense. Wow, what a careful and considered response. Thankyou so much! I retract any snark or sarcasm from myself, apologise for my bluntness, and bow down to your very humble self. If only all interactions online could end this way. Thanks for making my day.

speedylight 2y ago

All he said was that the smoke alarm going off while you’re high might be disturbing to that person; so, they take out the battery and forget to put it back in because weed messes with your short term memory. What’s condescending about that? All he did is speculate and he’s not that far off from reality! For the record many people have died because they fell asleep with a lit cigarette (probably because they’re likely drunk or just very tired) in their hand which then causes a fire. Stupid ass comment!

alt227 2y ago
> All he said was that the smoke alarm going off while you’re high might be disturbing to that person No he didnt, he made fun of people who smoke cannabis for being stupid and more likely to kill themselves in an idiotic way. I would have happily engaged in an intelligent comment talking about the dangers of smoking in bed, or even statistics about how smokers are moere likely to die aslepp in fires, but his comment was definitely not these things. >All he did is speculate and he’s not that far off from reality! This comment just shows you have the same condesceding viewpoint, which explains why you are agreeing with him. He is in fact very very far from reality, and if you had an open mind and explored this with other people with different viewpoints from yourself you would realise that pretty quickly.
- speedylight 2y ago
  If you’re so inclined to engage in intelligent conversation then your first reaction should’ve been to look up those stats yourself and counter with that. The burden of proof is not on him because he clearly prefaced the comment by saying “I’m thinking” which means he’s expressing his own opinion which may or may not be different from facts you can get by analyzing data.
  - alt227 2y ago
    That is fair enough, I agree with you. However I felt that in this instance the OP was poking fun at stereotypes, and that countering it with statistics was the wrong thing to do. However OP has now apologised and I have done the same. Next time I will consider your words, and respond a bit more intelligently. Have a great day!