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The reality is super majority of user base don’t care about data privacy or what government can see as long as it doesn’t affect their day to day lives. There w

by kredd 2y ago

The reality is super majority of user base don’t care about data privacy or what government can see as long as it doesn’t affect their day to day lives. There was a big outrage when WhatsApp changed their privacy policy, everyone is still using it. Supermajority of people who live in China are not using any of the western social media. Or how nobody cares when there’s a breach of personal data, and it gets leaked online. Again, unless it affects them directly, it really doesn’t matter. We (people in tech and tech-adjacent fields) are in an extremely fringe bubble. And I can’t really blame them, after all who has time to think about all the second order effects of different policy changes.

rustcleaner 2y ago
>Again, unless it affects them directly, it really doesn’t matter. It does affect them directly, doesn't anyone know why they're broke all the time (aside from inflation)? Is it possible all that harmless telemetry for harmless marketing purposes actually isn't so harmless, and Terminator is inducing you to buy products you like but really don't need more than the savings you're splurging with? No, can't be! If people woke up to how insideously manipulated they are at large... oh man!
- kredd 2y ago
  Yeah, but it really doesn't matter. Majority of my friends are not in tech space, and not a single one would care about it. It's similar to how I don't care about some sports team winning the championship, or Taylor Swift, or a relationship between two reality TV stars. You can call those "superfluous interests", but those people would say the same about our interests. And since things you've mentioned doesn't negatively affect the things they care about, it just... doesn't matter to them. I wouldn't even call it an abnormal behaviour, since a person can only think about so many things during the day.
  - rustcleaner 2y ago
    But "our interests" in observing the use of psychological trickery through memes and celebrity pawns to subtly nudge group actions and [the holy grail:] individual actions. Sports wins don't have the influence Meta's data pipeline has on individuals' lives! It's huge and insidious, 1984 is now literally becoming possible! It does negatively affect them. Now special interest politics can better out maneuver said people's interests and intentions even more effectively, now that personal and cohort profiles exist and updated in realtime! No, we are cooked if we do not spread persuit of privacy like a religion! The individual cede to the group, and the group to the regal classes.
    - rightbyte 2y ago
      > 1984 is now literally becoming possible! I assume you are refering to the automatic music writing machine the proles are fed with? LLMs seem to be capable of that now. (1984 is a low tech society and have been possible since the 50s, except for that machine.)

by kredd 2y ago

rustcleaner 2y ago

>Again, unless it affects them directly, it really doesn’t matter. It does affect them directly, doesn't anyone know why they're broke all the time (aside from inflation)? Is it possible all that harmless telemetry for harmless marketing purposes actually isn't so harmless, and Terminator is inducing you to buy products you like but really don't need more than the savings you're splurging with? No, can't be! If people woke up to how insideously manipulated they are at large... oh man!

kredd 2y ago
Yeah, but it really doesn't matter. Majority of my friends are not in tech space, and not a single one would care about it. It's similar to how I don't care about some sports team winning the championship, or Taylor Swift, or a relationship between two reality TV stars. You can call those "superfluous interests", but those people would say the same about our interests. And since things you've mentioned doesn't negatively affect the things they care about, it just... doesn't matter to them. I wouldn't even call it an abnormal behaviour, since a person can only think about so many things during the day.
- rustcleaner 2y ago
  But "our interests" in observing the use of psychological trickery through memes and celebrity pawns to subtly nudge group actions and [the holy grail:] individual actions. Sports wins don't have the influence Meta's data pipeline has on individuals' lives! It's huge and insidious, 1984 is now literally becoming possible! It does negatively affect them. Now special interest politics can better out maneuver said people's interests and intentions even more effectively, now that personal and cohort profiles exist and updated in realtime! No, we are cooked if we do not spread persuit of privacy like a religion! The individual cede to the group, and the group to the regal classes.
  - rightbyte 2y ago
    > 1984 is now literally becoming possible! I assume you are refering to the automatic music writing machine the proles are fed with? LLMs seem to be capable of that now. (1984 is a low tech society and have been possible since the 50s, except for that machine.)