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The first website, I skimmed the rabbit hole of links a bit, and it reads like far left/far right infighting. Personally, I don't feel sad with someone getting

The first website, I skimmed the rabbit hole of links a bit, and it reads like far left/far right infighting. Personally, I don't feel sad with someone getting banned who thinks LGBT people don't have a right to exist. But hyperpartisan groups are more likely to scour people's social media/blogs/etc to find any reason imaginable to ban them.

anonfordays 2y ago
> it reads like far left/far right infighting It's far-left versus anyone right of Mao. There are no far-right people of note here. >Personally, I don't feel sad with someone getting banned who thinks LGBT people don't have a right to exist. So you're OK with banning Muslims? Personally, I don't feel sad with someone getting banned who thinks Israeli people don't have a right to exist. See what I did there? This is fallacious thinking. >But hyperpartisan groups are more likely to scour people's social media/blogs/etc to find any reason imaginable to ban them. Indeed. This is inexcusable behavior. It's seeking out things to feign "outrage" over in order to make political moves such as ousting any members that are not ideologically aligned.
- em-bee 2y ago
  muslims to not believe that LGBT people don't have a right to exist. those who express such a sentiment have not understood the koran that teaches that all people should be treated with love and compassion.
  - CRConrad 2y ago
    > muslims to not believe that LGBT people don't have a right to exist. "Exist", sure... But they only exist as corpses after they've been stoned to death for the sin of being LGBT. > those who express such a sentiment have not understood the koran that teaches that all people should be treated with love and compassion. reply So mainly Muslims, then?
- gradientsrneat 2y ago
  > There are no far-right people of note here I would think srid is notable due to his site making an impression here? But I can see where you're coming from. I've observed attempted community takeovers from a safe distance, and it's depressing. Not going to attempt a coherent opinion on Nix, as I am not involved in the project. > See what I did there? No, I really don't. Your counter-example just seems like a false equivalence to me.
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  - anonfordays 2y ago
    >I would think srid is notable Srid is not far-right... >No, I really don't. Your counter-example just seems like a false equivalence to me. It's the same as: "Personally, I don't feel sad with someone getting banned who grooms children." Then one declares a wide array of behaviors, words, actions, inactions, opinions, orthogonal statements, etc. as "child grooming", "anti-LGBTQ", etc. and then use that as prima facie to oust the opposition.
    - gradientsrneat 2y ago
      > Srid is not far right OK, just wanted to make sure your disagreement is based on your beliefs about the positioning of the overton window, rather than whether or not Srid is a relevant actor in the Nix project. The thing I have observed in other community takeovers is that, it is not always a case that the new management is making mostly bad decisions, because if they did that, it would lead to a hard fork of a project, followed by the upstream dying off. Because the community takeover may be motivated by a desire for power. With the Nix vs Lix split, it is not clear to me which project is better, given my limited knowledge. It's also not clear if the Nix project has actually changed considerably since this incident. I am ignorant, and the drama papers don't tell me much. Speaking of open source more generally, I tend to defer to upstream if it's still active, not for any political reason, but because those closer associated with the original maintainer tend to be more experienced. But there definitely are exceptions, for example if the upstream is too toxic by comparison, or the downstream is solving a different problem that I care about.

anonfordays 2y ago

> it reads like far left/far right infighting It's far-left versus anyone right of Mao. There are no far-right people of note here. >Personally, I don't feel sad with someone getting banned who thinks LGBT people don't have a right to exist. So you're OK with banning Muslims? Personally, I don't feel sad with someone getting banned who thinks Israeli people don't have a right to exist. See what I did there? This is fallacious thinking. >But hyperpartisan groups are more likely to scour people's social media/blogs/etc to find any reason imaginable to ban them. Indeed. This is inexcusable behavior. It's seeking out things to feign "outrage" over in order to make political moves such as ousting any members that are not ideologically aligned.

em-bee 2y ago
muslims to not believe that LGBT people don't have a right to exist. those who express such a sentiment have not understood the koran that teaches that all people should be treated with love and compassion.
- CRConrad 2y ago
  > muslims to not believe that LGBT people don't have a right to exist. "Exist", sure... But they only exist as corpses after they've been stoned to death for the sin of being LGBT. > those who express such a sentiment have not understood the koran that teaches that all people should be treated with love and compassion. reply So mainly Muslims, then?
gradientsrneat 2y ago
> There are no far-right people of note here I would think srid is notable due to his site making an impression here? But I can see where you're coming from. I've observed attempted community takeovers from a safe distance, and it's depressing. Not going to attempt a coherent opinion on Nix, as I am not involved in the project. > See what I did there? No, I really don't. Your counter-example just seems like a false equivalence to me.
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- anonfordays 2y ago
  >I would think srid is notable Srid is not far-right... >No, I really don't. Your counter-example just seems like a false equivalence to me. It's the same as: "Personally, I don't feel sad with someone getting banned who grooms children." Then one declares a wide array of behaviors, words, actions, inactions, opinions, orthogonal statements, etc. as "child grooming", "anti-LGBTQ", etc. and then use that as prima facie to oust the opposition.
  - gradientsrneat 2y ago
    > Srid is not far right OK, just wanted to make sure your disagreement is based on your beliefs about the positioning of the overton window, rather than whether or not Srid is a relevant actor in the Nix project. The thing I have observed in other community takeovers is that, it is not always a case that the new management is making mostly bad decisions, because if they did that, it would lead to a hard fork of a project, followed by the upstream dying off. Because the community takeover may be motivated by a desire for power. With the Nix vs Lix split, it is not clear to me which project is better, given my limited knowledge. It's also not clear if the Nix project has actually changed considerably since this incident. I am ignorant, and the drama papers don't tell me much. Speaking of open source more generally, I tend to defer to upstream if it's still active, not for any political reason, but because those closer associated with the original maintainer tend to be more experienced. But there definitely are exceptions, for example if the upstream is too toxic by comparison, or the downstream is solving a different problem that I care about.