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Being rich doesn't compel you to use private jets for travel. There are plenty other modes of transportation available. In fact, I'd argue being rich affords yo

by hnbad 2y ago

Being rich doesn't compel you to use private jets for travel. There are plenty other modes of transportation available. In fact, I'd argue being rich affords you a greater choice.

haswell 2y ago
The necessity of private jets is beside the point. At issue is whether or not tracking private travel should be accessible to everyone with an internet connection. Most people would not be ok with tracking private vehicles, and it’s unclear why this should change when the mode of transportation is a plane instead of a car.
- hnbad 2y ago
  Well, rich and poor people are equally subject to tracking when they travel in their private jets. That seems fair. They can use untracked modes of travel like public transit or cars. We're okay with tracking planes. It's unclear why this should change when it's privately owned by an individual instead of by an airline. There are actually plenty of reasons we might want to treat air traffic different, regardless of who's on board or who owns the plane. Whether it's because planes are significantly less private by nature of being very noisy and visible (i.e. there's less of an expectation of privacy because you're being very public), or because they're a greater risk to everyone because they're in the air and full of fuel (i.e. you have a legitimate interest to know whether one might fly near you).
  - 93po 2y ago
    planes pose significantly more public safety risk, and therefore higher levels of accountability in their operation are appropriate. I can't accidentally blow up a building with my toyota camry, but a pilot with poor training or decision making can do it with a large enough private jet. if a pilot is piloting inappropriately, we need the tools to quickly figure out which aircraft it is and report it.
miki123211 2y ago
How do you imagine somebody like Taylor Swift or Elon Musk could actually travel? I, for one, would not want to be anywhere near any airport or train station that they were at. The insane security required, crowds of psycho fans and overall disruption to everybody else would cause massive headaches. Cars and ships work I guess, but they're extremely slow, not that much more efficient on a per-mile basis, and organizing the security for somebody like that would still be a logistical nightmare.

by hnbad 2y ago

Being rich doesn't compel you to use private jets for travel. There are plenty other modes of transportation available. In fact, I'd argue being rich affords you a greater choice.

haswell 2y ago

The necessity of private jets is beside the point. At issue is whether or not tracking private travel should be accessible to everyone with an internet connection. Most people would not be ok with tracking private vehicles, and it’s unclear why this should change when the mode of transportation is a plane instead of a car.

hnbad 2y ago
Well, rich and poor people are equally subject to tracking when they travel in their private jets. That seems fair. They can use untracked modes of travel like public transit or cars. We're okay with tracking planes. It's unclear why this should change when it's privately owned by an individual instead of by an airline. There are actually plenty of reasons we might want to treat air traffic different, regardless of who's on board or who owns the plane. Whether it's because planes are significantly less private by nature of being very noisy and visible (i.e. there's less of an expectation of privacy because you're being very public), or because they're a greater risk to everyone because they're in the air and full of fuel (i.e. you have a legitimate interest to know whether one might fly near you).
- 93po 2y ago
  planes pose significantly more public safety risk, and therefore higher levels of accountability in their operation are appropriate. I can't accidentally blow up a building with my toyota camry, but a pilot with poor training or decision making can do it with a large enough private jet. if a pilot is piloting inappropriately, we need the tools to quickly figure out which aircraft it is and report it.

miki123211 2y ago

How do you imagine somebody like Taylor Swift or Elon Musk could actually travel? I, for one, would not want to be anywhere near any airport or train station that they were at. The insane security required, crowds of psycho fans and overall disruption to everybody else would cause massive headaches. Cars and ships work I guess, but they're extremely slow, not that much more efficient on a per-mile basis, and organizing the security for somebody like that would still be a logistical nightmare.