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And yet, you need a drivers license to operate a car. Computers, AI and other technology everyone is allowed to use, even without basic understanding of how stu

And yet, you need a drivers license to operate a car. Computers, AI and other technology everyone is allowed to use, even without basic understanding of how stuff works.

danielmarkbruce 2y ago
Generally, any situation that is as dangerous for other people as driving a car requires a license or is illegal. It has nothing to do with understanding the underlying technology. About the last thing we need is a law requiring a license to use ChatGPT.
- SunlitCat 2y ago
  Operating technology without understanding what you're doing, can be dangerous for other people as well and shouldn't be underestimated. Of course, the license requirement wasn't meant literally, but at least some basic understanding that not downloading everything from everywhere is a good thing to do, or that clicking on that link and entering your details is okay just because the mail said "WE ARE YOUR BANK AND YOU NEED TO GIVE ALL DETAILS!!!" and so on. If you point that out, you are often meet with "Ah. Technology is so difficult to understand. They should make it easier."
siva7 2y ago
I really think that an AI license would be the best solution, at least for school kids but ideally for everyone in a professional context. Operating an AI is very different than operating a computer as the former can cause real damage to the tech-"illiterate".
- EnigmaFlare 2y ago
  Talking to AI can't cause real damage any more than talking to a person can. And talking to a person can do worse. So you'll want a license for that, which is awful.
  - SunlitCat 2y ago
    Of course a license isn't the solution to the main problem itself. The problem is, some people are under the assumption that AI is technology and technology can't ever be wrong and if it's wrong it's the fault of someone else.
    - EnigmaFlare 2y ago
      Are those significant numbers of real people or do you just imagine they exist to make you feel superior? From what I've seen, non-technical people generally see AI as usually wrong. They laugh at it not knowing how many fingers to draw on a person, for instance. Just today, I heard DJs on a local radio station using ChatGPT to write recipes. They had a laugh at the silly things it came up with and concluded that we don't need to worry about AI taking our jobs yet. I think people have a greater weakness for trusting other humans. The world is full of people who do destructive things to themselves and others because they trusted confident liers or other believers who had themselves been fooled. Even on a small group level, people tend to favor ideas from those with higher social status rather than evaluating the ideas themselves. AI not being a respected human wouldn't have that social power.
- goatlover 2y ago
  Anymore than the wider internet or social media can?
  - SunlitCat 2y ago
    And yet, different governments are regulating social media (and to some extend the wider internet). Not that this is necessarily a good thing, but we have seen in the last few years what can happen if people believe everything someone says on some social media channels.
margalabargala 2y ago
I would bet that most people with a driver's license do not understand how cars work.
- SunlitCat 2y ago
  Funnily I'm doing my drivers license over here currently (yeah, I finally decided that after all those years, I could need one) and there are quite a few technical car related questions in the theoretical exam.
nomel 2y ago
> even without basic understanding of how stuff works. That's fantastic! That's the ideal scenario, for all technology: a useful tool. There's a good chance you don't understand how your computer works either. The quantum physics that makes your SD card work, the startup sequence for the PCIE devices in your computer, the wrap around gate's used in your CPU, how the doping materials are mined, how the combine is constructed that was used to make the bread on your sandwich, etc. That's great, and such a relief. You don't have to waste your time on carrying around all that knowledge that took mankind billions of man hours to accumulate. You can just get personally interesting shit done, and use your sandwich at lunchtime without a license.
- SunlitCat 2y ago
  I totally agree, technology should be a useful tool. But! As more sophisticated a tool becomes, the more care one has to use it. I don't need to understand the inner technical details of my computer, that's true. But I need to understand that connecting to a world wide network can open up a can of worms not only harming me but others along the way as well.
  - nomel 2y ago
    Sure, but at some point, the emergent behavior, like having to worry about your computer being infected, has nothing to do with the actual technology under it, and more about fundamentals of complex systems, and game theory.

And yet, you need a drivers license to operate a car. Computers, AI and other technology everyone is allowed to use, even without basic understanding of how stuff works.

danielmarkbruce 2y ago

Generally, any situation that is as dangerous for other people as driving a car requires a license or is illegal. It has nothing to do with understanding the underlying technology. About the last thing we need is a law requiring a license to use ChatGPT.

SunlitCat 2y ago
Operating technology without understanding what you're doing, can be dangerous for other people as well and shouldn't be underestimated. Of course, the license requirement wasn't meant literally, but at least some basic understanding that not downloading everything from everywhere is a good thing to do, or that clicking on that link and entering your details is okay just because the mail said "WE ARE YOUR BANK AND YOU NEED TO GIVE ALL DETAILS!!!" and so on. If you point that out, you are often meet with "Ah. Technology is so difficult to understand. They should make it easier."

siva7 2y ago

I really think that an AI license would be the best solution, at least for school kids but ideally for everyone in a professional context. Operating an AI is very different than operating a computer as the former can cause real damage to the tech-"illiterate".

EnigmaFlare 2y ago
Talking to AI can't cause real damage any more than talking to a person can. And talking to a person can do worse. So you'll want a license for that, which is awful.
- SunlitCat 2y ago
  Of course a license isn't the solution to the main problem itself. The problem is, some people are under the assumption that AI is technology and technology can't ever be wrong and if it's wrong it's the fault of someone else.
  - EnigmaFlare 2y ago
    Are those significant numbers of real people or do you just imagine they exist to make you feel superior? From what I've seen, non-technical people generally see AI as usually wrong. They laugh at it not knowing how many fingers to draw on a person, for instance. Just today, I heard DJs on a local radio station using ChatGPT to write recipes. They had a laugh at the silly things it came up with and concluded that we don't need to worry about AI taking our jobs yet. I think people have a greater weakness for trusting other humans. The world is full of people who do destructive things to themselves and others because they trusted confident liers or other believers who had themselves been fooled. Even on a small group level, people tend to favor ideas from those with higher social status rather than evaluating the ideas themselves. AI not being a respected human wouldn't have that social power.
goatlover 2y ago
Anymore than the wider internet or social media can?
- SunlitCat 2y ago
  And yet, different governments are regulating social media (and to some extend the wider internet). Not that this is necessarily a good thing, but we have seen in the last few years what can happen if people believe everything someone says on some social media channels.

margalabargala 2y ago

I would bet that most people with a driver's license do not understand how cars work.

SunlitCat 2y ago
Funnily I'm doing my drivers license over here currently (yeah, I finally decided that after all those years, I could need one) and there are quite a few technical car related questions in the theoretical exam.

nomel 2y ago

> even without basic understanding of how stuff works. That's fantastic! That's the ideal scenario, for all technology: a useful tool. There's a good chance you don't understand how your computer works either. The quantum physics that makes your SD card work, the startup sequence for the PCIE devices in your computer, the wrap around gate's used in your CPU, how the doping materials are mined, how the combine is constructed that was used to make the bread on your sandwich, etc. That's great, and such a relief. You don't have to waste your time on carrying around all that knowledge that took mankind billions of man hours to accumulate. You can just get personally interesting shit done, and use your sandwich at lunchtime without a license.

SunlitCat 2y ago
I totally agree, technology should be a useful tool. But! As more sophisticated a tool becomes, the more care one has to use it. I don't need to understand the inner technical details of my computer, that's true. But I need to understand that connecting to a world wide network can open up a can of worms not only harming me but others along the way as well.
- nomel 2y ago
  Sure, but at some point, the emergent behavior, like having to worry about your computer being infected, has nothing to do with the actual technology under it, and more about fundamentals of complex systems, and game theory.