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unfortunately masking peripheral stimuli won’t necessarily do much for reducing central percepts of non-peripheral stimuli. Tinnitus isn’t a sound, exactly…

tommiegannert 2y ago
Has there been research on this? Even if the cause of tinnitus is neural, or damage to the inner ear, perhaps it could be altered with bone conduction speakers? On the premise that any change to status quo might cause the neurons to completely re-evaluate their duties... These two ([1] [2]; 2002 and 2020) say that bone-conducting and air-conducting transducers offer the same relief. Since everyone, including this [3] seems to bury the results, I'm guessing that sound therapy isn't very effective. [1] https://e-asr.org/upload/pdf/asr-200012.pdf https://e-asr.org/upload/pdf/asr-200012.pdf (interestingly, this is Korean with English headings and captions. Is that common?) [2] https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/14992020209077189 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/1499202020907718... [3] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/2040622320956426 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/204062232095642...
imzadi 2y ago
All I know is that there are some sounds that help my tinnitus and other sounds that trigger it. If I could have something that filters the triggering frequencies and also sends out the masking frequencies, maybe it would help? I don't know.
- Talinx 2y ago
  There are earplugs that minimize certain frequencies, e. g. Flare Calmer [1]. They have a report with frequency response graphs [2]. No idea if this helps with tinnitus at all. [1] https://www.flareaudio.com/en-eu/collections/calmer https://www.flareaudio.com/en-eu/collections/calmer [2] https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1721/0649/files/ISVR_Offical_Report_on_Calmer.pdf https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1721/0649/files/ISVR_Offic...
rarely 2y ago
While tinnitus ringing isn't a result of vibrations activating the hair cells in the cochlea, the hair cells are still the reason the ringing occurs. If I recall correctly, it is still possible to exhaust these ringing-inducing hair cells to gain temporary relief. I wonder if you could somehow mask in a constant ringing that would exhaust these specific hair cells at some frequency for extended relief?
- hooverd 2y ago
  We've discovered that people can still experience tinnitus if their cochlear nerve is severed for whatever reason. There's a lot of causes- personally I think they all lead to neurons in the auditory processing part of your brain going wee-woo, sort of a localized epilepsy.
  - hprotagonist 2y ago
    “maladaptive plasticity” is a keyword to google here.

tommiegannert 2y ago

Has there been research on this? Even if the cause of tinnitus is neural, or damage to the inner ear, perhaps it could be altered with bone conduction speakers? On the premise that any change to status quo might cause the neurons to completely re-evaluate their duties... These two ([1] [2]; 2002 and 2020) say that bone-conducting and air-conducting transducers offer the same relief. Since everyone, including this [3] seems to bury the results, I'm guessing that sound therapy isn't very effective. [1] https://e-asr.org/upload/pdf/asr-200012.pdf https://e-asr.org/upload/pdf/asr-200012.pdf (interestingly, this is Korean with English headings and captions. Is that common?) [2] https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/14992020209077189 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/1499202020907718... [3] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/2040622320956426 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/204062232095642...

imzadi 2y ago

All I know is that there are some sounds that help my tinnitus and other sounds that trigger it. If I could have something that filters the triggering frequencies and also sends out the masking frequencies, maybe it would help? I don't know.

Talinx 2y ago
There are earplugs that minimize certain frequencies, e. g. Flare Calmer [1]. They have a report with frequency response graphs [2]. No idea if this helps with tinnitus at all. [1] https://www.flareaudio.com/en-eu/collections/calmer https://www.flareaudio.com/en-eu/collections/calmer [2] https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1721/0649/files/ISVR_Offical_Report_on_Calmer.pdf https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1721/0649/files/ISVR_Offic...

rarely 2y ago

While tinnitus ringing isn't a result of vibrations activating the hair cells in the cochlea, the hair cells are still the reason the ringing occurs. If I recall correctly, it is still possible to exhaust these ringing-inducing hair cells to gain temporary relief. I wonder if you could somehow mask in a constant ringing that would exhaust these specific hair cells at some frequency for extended relief?

hooverd 2y ago
We've discovered that people can still experience tinnitus if their cochlear nerve is severed for whatever reason. There's a lot of causes- personally I think they all lead to neurons in the auditory processing part of your brain going wee-woo, sort of a localized epilepsy.
- hprotagonist 2y ago
  “maladaptive plasticity” is a keyword to google here.