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Some uncommon topics in the WFH/RTO debate.. Many employers slowly expanded the norms of work hours during remote/hybrid, which haven't been walked back now th

Some uncommon topics in the WFH/RTO debate.. Many employers slowly expanded the norms of work hours during remote/hybrid, which haven't been walked back now that they demand in-office. Jobs that used to be a 9-6 in office are now getting regularly scheduled 8/8:30am meetings (and still keeping the 5pm ones). Employees are left with more complex working life of waking up extra extra early, or dialing into early calls, then taking a train between meeting breaks to get in before lunch, etc. This includes stressing that they get in early enough for the swipe to count. A side effect is "statutory swipes" where others push the limits to work substantially fewer hours on office days as some sort of revenge. My wife has coworkers with long commutes who leave at 3pm when in-office. We work in financial services and this is previously unheard of, the markets aren't even closed by then. 3pm departure is like a twice per year markets early close departure time. Another issue is with some of the increase in subway violence in NYC in particular, women are not as comfortable commuting as they were 5 years ago. My wife, and plenty of women I know no longer listen to music during their commute as they want to "remain aware of their surroundings". That is to say, the commute is quite the opposite of mind clearing for them.

demosthanos 2y ago
> Jobs that used to be a 9-6 in office are now getting regularly scheduled 8/8:30am meetings (and still keeping the 5pm ones). Incidentally, this sentence actually demonstrates that this is not a new thing with WFH. At some point in the game for a lot of people, the 9–5 became a 9–6 as employers decided to start begrudging employees their lunch break. If you're on salary, short-sighted employers are incentivized to take as much of your time as you will let them. Going into the office won't prevent that (especially not in the internet era), you have to stand up for yourself.

demosthanos 2y ago

> Jobs that used to be a 9-6 in office are now getting regularly scheduled 8/8:30am meetings (and still keeping the 5pm ones). Incidentally, this sentence actually demonstrates that this is not a new thing with WFH. At some point in the game for a lot of people, the 9–5 became a 9–6 as employers decided to start begrudging employees their lunch break. If you're on salary, short-sighted employers are incentivized to take as much of your time as you will let them. Going into the office won't prevent that (especially not in the internet era), you have to stand up for yourself.