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That's one of the more popular arguments but not the only one. When WFH, i have enormous freedom of arranging tasks they way I want them executed and it works m

That's one of the more popular arguments but not the only one. When WFH, i have enormous freedom of arranging tasks they way I want them executed and it works marvels for my productivity. When I want to go out on my bike for 20 minutes, I do so, and excellent ideas come to my mind them. There is simply no amount of money that would force me back to the office. I routinely pass on job offers where they demand "just two days a week in the office".

bdw5204 2y ago
I doubt you can even get a hybrid position in this market if you clearly prefer remote work but can't find a remote job. Companies generally aren't going to hire somebody who clearly doesn't want to be there so the only people who have a choice are those who are capable of lying. I suspect those "job offers" you're getting are probably just recruiters who'd waste your time if you told them you were interested then you'd never hear from them again. That's my experience with most of that "profession" anyway.
- benterix 2y ago
  In my niche, the ratio of not remote (including hybrid) to remote is roughly 3:2. However, the interesting thing is that almost all top offers are remote only. Sometimes with the annotation "This is a remote position but you are welcome to the office should you wish to come".
- CoastalCoder 2y ago
  FWIW, I don't recall ever being asked during interviews if I wanted to come to the office. The policy was simply stated as a fact of the position. So any lying would have been spurious.
  - bdw5204 2y ago
    The "lying" I referred to would be pretending that you're actually interested in a non-remote job for anything other than the money you need to survive until you can find a remote job. Even if you don't come right out and say you see them as a "take it and keep looking", that's still going to be obvious unless you're at sociopath levels of skill in lying. And if you're somebody who wouldn't still be in the industry if remote work hadn't become the norm, you're not going to be genuinely interested in any non-remote job for anything other than money until you can get something better.
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      >Even if you don't come right out and say you see them as a "take it and keep looking", that's still going to be obvious unless you're at sociopath levels of skill in lying. I see it as no different then when they ask "why do you want this job"? Except they aren't even asking. Many people know the primary reason is finances, but companies tend to not pick someone who answers that way. There's an "etiquette" to lie about certain factors unless you're in crazy demand, so who's really in the ethical quandry here?
AnimalMuppet 2y ago
With WFH, I didn't have to listen to my coworkers' conversations in the adjoining cubes. Also, I could take a meeting with the cat on my lap (if she would cooperate). Personally, I like seeing my coworkers in person. But the WFH advantages are real, too...

bdw5204 2y ago

I doubt you can even get a hybrid position in this market if you clearly prefer remote work but can't find a remote job. Companies generally aren't going to hire somebody who clearly doesn't want to be there so the only people who have a choice are those who are capable of lying. I suspect those "job offers" you're getting are probably just recruiters who'd waste your time if you told them you were interested then you'd never hear from them again. That's my experience with most of that "profession" anyway.

benterix 2y ago
In my niche, the ratio of not remote (including hybrid) to remote is roughly 3:2. However, the interesting thing is that almost all top offers are remote only. Sometimes with the annotation "This is a remote position but you are welcome to the office should you wish to come".
CoastalCoder 2y ago
FWIW, I don't recall ever being asked during interviews if I wanted to come to the office. The policy was simply stated as a fact of the position. So any lying would have been spurious.
- bdw5204 2y ago
  The "lying" I referred to would be pretending that you're actually interested in a non-remote job for anything other than the money you need to survive until you can find a remote job. Even if you don't come right out and say you see them as a "take it and keep looking", that's still going to be obvious unless you're at sociopath levels of skill in lying. And if you're somebody who wouldn't still be in the industry if remote work hadn't become the norm, you're not going to be genuinely interested in any non-remote job for anything other than money until you can get something better.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    >Even if you don't come right out and say you see them as a "take it and keep looking", that's still going to be obvious unless you're at sociopath levels of skill in lying. I see it as no different then when they ask "why do you want this job"? Except they aren't even asking. Many people know the primary reason is finances, but companies tend to not pick someone who answers that way. There's an "etiquette" to lie about certain factors unless you're in crazy demand, so who's really in the ethical quandry here?

AnimalMuppet 2y ago

With WFH, I didn't have to listen to my coworkers' conversations in the adjoining cubes. Also, I could take a meeting with the cat on my lap (if she would cooperate). Personally, I like seeing my coworkers in person. But the WFH advantages are real, too...