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> employees being told that the company would collapse without him. These employees are smart enough to decide for themselves how critical they believe Altman

> employees being told that the company would collapse without him. These employees are smart enough to decide for themselves how critical they believe Altman is.

siva7 2y ago
I also get the vibe from her that she believes those employees are dumb sheep who can't decide for themselves who their lead should be.
- chipdart 2y ago
  > those employees are dumb sheep who can't decide for themselves The point is that they are smart because they know not to put themselves at risk with actions that would not lead to get rid of a threat. > (...) decide for themselves who their lead should be. They didn't had a vote or a choice. People living under a dictatorship also don't decide who their leader is when the dictator prompts them to show their support.
- pantalaimon 2y ago
  Well she thinks the same of the general population, that is that they would believe everything generated by AI
- the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
  I only listened to parts of it but I did not get that vibe. For me it sounds like there was a lot of pressure applied. Particularly given the secondaries it does not at all surprise me that it was a very likely outcome. If a leader does not want to step down and the leader has power, that leader can wreck chaos where the rational move is to leave the leader in place. I don’t know enough about OpenAI or Sam Altman to judge the situation but given the absolutely chaotic situation when it unfolded it sounded very rational to restore the prior status quo.
chipdart 2y ago
You somehow missed the whole point, which is that once retaliation was extremely likely these employees decided to not put themselves at risk. This is how dictators get their 99% approval rating, and why democracies enshrine the right to vote in secrecy.
ben_w 2y ago
Crowd dynamics and snap decisions are very different from individuals and carefully considering all aspects before jumping in.

> employees being told that the company would collapse without him. These employees are smart enough to decide for themselves how critical they believe Altman is.

siva7 2y ago

I also get the vibe from her that she believes those employees are dumb sheep who can't decide for themselves who their lead should be.

chipdart 2y ago
> those employees are dumb sheep who can't decide for themselves The point is that they are smart because they know not to put themselves at risk with actions that would not lead to get rid of a threat. > (...) decide for themselves who their lead should be. They didn't had a vote or a choice. People living under a dictatorship also don't decide who their leader is when the dictator prompts them to show their support.
pantalaimon 2y ago
Well she thinks the same of the general population, that is that they would believe everything generated by AI
the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
I only listened to parts of it but I did not get that vibe. For me it sounds like there was a lot of pressure applied. Particularly given the secondaries it does not at all surprise me that it was a very likely outcome. If a leader does not want to step down and the leader has power, that leader can wreck chaos where the rational move is to leave the leader in place. I don’t know enough about OpenAI or Sam Altman to judge the situation but given the absolutely chaotic situation when it unfolded it sounded very rational to restore the prior status quo.

chipdart 2y ago

You somehow missed the whole point, which is that once retaliation was extremely likely these employees decided to not put themselves at risk. This is how dictators get their 99% approval rating, and why democracies enshrine the right to vote in secrecy.

ben_w 2y ago

Crowd dynamics and snap decisions are very different from individuals and carefully considering all aspects before jumping in.