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Sam Altman made openAI possible. A true CEO like Satya knows without Sam, the rate of progress at OpenAI will be determined by decels like Helen/Jan aka ZERO. I

Sam Altman made openAI possible. A true CEO like Satya knows without Sam, the rate of progress at OpenAI will be determined by decels like Helen/Jan aka ZERO. It's a disaster for product development, especially when you have openly invited Google to dance. I know HN leans engineering/safety/reliability/labor/pedantic (like chasing the absolute truth), but at the end of the day, company scales from the likes of Jobs/Musk/Sam/Zuck even it involves deceit or reality distortion field. Sometimes people just can't handle the truth or don't believe in the vision of visionaries. So, they have to fib a little to the decels and normies. Even Larry / Sergey 'lied' to Eric during Google's growth phase. It's only when they bought normie Sundar that Google became risk averse. And look where it got Google to. If I have to bet my last $, I'd bet on Elon/Sam/Zuck/Jobs than Helen/Jan/Sundar.

mateus1 2y ago
This is the literal definition of a slippery slope. Letting billionaires, who already wield extreme power, break laws and skirt regulations is the opposite of a free market.
- adamtaylor_13 2y ago
  Where do you get this idea that we have a free market? Money begets money, and as the commenter above pointed out, those who have money know how to make it and know that it's the Musk/Zuck/Altmans of the world who get it done. We don't necessarily have to like it to acknowledge it's very much reality.
- hnfong 2y ago
  The "free market" literally means free of government interference and regulation... So it actually implies allowing capitalists to wield extreme power, skirt laws and regulations. I understand the term has gone through some kind of whitewashing to mean "this is the good system (unlike the bad system)", so one might be inclined to think it means something more equitable, but seriously, that was the original meaning.
NikolaNovak 2y ago
Had to look up the jargon : https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/what-is-a-decel-dueling-ideologies-in-ai-artificial-intelligence-b1121591.html https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/what-is-a-decel-dueling...
- Terr_ 2y ago
  > “Decel” is used as a dismissive term for tech doomsayers by those who see themselves as members of the burgeoning E/Acc community. [... Who have] the belief that in our current technological age, the powers of innovation and capitalism should be exploited to their extremes to drive radical social change - even at the cost of today’s social order. I'm sure that--in practice--there will be extremely strong correlation to social-order changes that leave the C-suite richer than before. :p
imperfect_light 2y ago
This isn't lying about product philosophy, lying about your financial stake in an OpenAI VC group would be grounds for dismissal from any company.
- zooq_ai 2y ago
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  - NikolaNovak 2y ago
    At this point I assume this is a troll comment, as nobody could hold views THAT extreme and be THAT snidey in real life (I assume/hope :O )
    - zooq_ai 2y ago
      If you a rule follower that follows rules just for the sake of following rules, you wouldn't understand. But, if you think in first principles, humans need to stop because we have only two eyes that can look at only one direction and can never simultaneously compute what speed the other cars are traveling. Of course we have to stop and give enough buffer for 0% accident probability. A FSD vehicle will have 8+ cameras looking around and already have computed where all the vehicles will be and has faster reaction time. So, it can be afforded higher buffer and lenient rules that was designed for humans. But, people like yourself are hell bent on following rules for rules-following-sake instead of thinking in first principles. So, an FSD builder would have to lie to you to say "It'll follow traffic rules" because you have that framework. If another first-principle-thinker asks the FSD builder, then they won't lie and will correctly say "Hey it will stop only when it is required and will break some traffic rules which doesn't make sense for a machine". But you think it's just a Billionaire club. But it is really about having same principles. Hope that clarifies.
      - NikolaNovak 2y ago
        Oh, you are coming through crystal clear, thank you :-)

mateus1 2y ago

This is the literal definition of a slippery slope. Letting billionaires, who already wield extreme power, break laws and skirt regulations is the opposite of a free market.

adamtaylor_13 2y ago
Where do you get this idea that we have a free market? Money begets money, and as the commenter above pointed out, those who have money know how to make it and know that it's the Musk/Zuck/Altmans of the world who get it done. We don't necessarily have to like it to acknowledge it's very much reality.
hnfong 2y ago
The "free market" literally means free of government interference and regulation... So it actually implies allowing capitalists to wield extreme power, skirt laws and regulations. I understand the term has gone through some kind of whitewashing to mean "this is the good system (unlike the bad system)", so one might be inclined to think it means something more equitable, but seriously, that was the original meaning.

NikolaNovak 2y ago

Had to look up the jargon : https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/what-is-a-decel-dueling-ideologies-in-ai-artificial-intelligence-b1121591.html https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/what-is-a-decel-dueling...

Terr_ 2y ago
> “Decel” is used as a dismissive term for tech doomsayers by those who see themselves as members of the burgeoning E/Acc community. [... Who have] the belief that in our current technological age, the powers of innovation and capitalism should be exploited to their extremes to drive radical social change - even at the cost of today’s social order. I'm sure that--in practice--there will be extremely strong correlation to social-order changes that leave the C-suite richer than before. :p

imperfect_light 2y ago

This isn't lying about product philosophy, lying about your financial stake in an OpenAI VC group would be grounds for dismissal from any company.

zooq_ai 2y ago
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- NikolaNovak 2y ago
  At this point I assume this is a troll comment, as nobody could hold views THAT extreme and be THAT snidey in real life (I assume/hope :O )
  - zooq_ai 2y ago
    If you a rule follower that follows rules just for the sake of following rules, you wouldn't understand. But, if you think in first principles, humans need to stop because we have only two eyes that can look at only one direction and can never simultaneously compute what speed the other cars are traveling. Of course we have to stop and give enough buffer for 0% accident probability. A FSD vehicle will have 8+ cameras looking around and already have computed where all the vehicles will be and has faster reaction time. So, it can be afforded higher buffer and lenient rules that was designed for humans. But, people like yourself are hell bent on following rules for rules-following-sake instead of thinking in first principles. So, an FSD builder would have to lie to you to say "It'll follow traffic rules" because you have that framework. If another first-principle-thinker asks the FSD builder, then they won't lie and will correctly say "Hey it will stop only when it is required and will break some traffic rules which doesn't make sense for a machine". But you think it's just a Billionaire club. But it is really about having same principles. Hope that clarifies.
    - NikolaNovak 2y ago
      Oh, you are coming through crystal clear, thank you :-)