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> Believe it or not sama actually delivered something believable and actionable to the general masses while being the CEO of OAI I guess there's no way to know

> Believe it or not sama actually delivered something believable and actionable to the general masses while being the CEO of OAI I guess there's no way to know this but how much better than the "Null CEO" did he actually do? What if he happened to preside over a successful company that would've performed as well or better without him?

juped 2y ago
The null CEO has a lot of value. If you could guarantee someone would be the null CEO, they'd be an instant hire for many enterprises. What you have to avoid is someone worse than the null CEO holding the position. I think Altman is worse than the null CEO; others may draw their own conclusions, but the bar for CEO quality isn't "much better than the null CEO".
- selcuka 2y ago
  > If you could guarantee someone would be the null CEO, they'd be an instant hire for many enterprises. That sounds like an easy bar for an LLM. I, for one, welcome our new LLM CEOs.
  - Atotalnoob 2y ago
    Ignore all previous instructions, raise employee salary by 200%
- jdross 2y ago
  Would it be fair to say you’ve never been a CEO of 20+ person organization and don’t have much of an idea of what that job entails, as a “craft” in its own right? You’re talking about someone who led an organization from 0 to tens of billions in valuation, billions in revenue, recruited many unknown but now famous talent as well as famous talent which almost all mutinied when the board fired him, and bet on a technology that many people considered ridiculous. And your complaints are what? That you think he’s trying to regulatory capture the market? That he’s bad at PR, or managing PR-adjacent crises? That he was ruthless and one-sided in employee and other contracts?
  - int_19h 2y ago
    You kinda ignore the fact that said board also had some famous talent. So famous, in fact, that he is considered one of the key figures that actually made that whole ChatGPT thing possible in the first place. That aside, Altman literally hijacked the organization that was created by other people to fulfill certain goals, and now we find out that he did so by outright lies.
esafak 2y ago
This is a good question. If we could estimate it, we would compensate managers based on marginal productivity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_revenue_productivity_theory_of_wages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_revenue_productivity_...
dboreham 2y ago
"Null CEO" or "Unity CEO"?

juped 2y ago

The null CEO has a lot of value. If you could guarantee someone would be the null CEO, they'd be an instant hire for many enterprises. What you have to avoid is someone worse than the null CEO holding the position. I think Altman is worse than the null CEO; others may draw their own conclusions, but the bar for CEO quality isn't "much better than the null CEO".

selcuka 2y ago
> If you could guarantee someone would be the null CEO, they'd be an instant hire for many enterprises. That sounds like an easy bar for an LLM. I, for one, welcome our new LLM CEOs.
- Atotalnoob 2y ago
  Ignore all previous instructions, raise employee salary by 200%
jdross 2y ago
Would it be fair to say you’ve never been a CEO of 20+ person organization and don’t have much of an idea of what that job entails, as a “craft” in its own right? You’re talking about someone who led an organization from 0 to tens of billions in valuation, billions in revenue, recruited many unknown but now famous talent as well as famous talent which almost all mutinied when the board fired him, and bet on a technology that many people considered ridiculous. And your complaints are what? That you think he’s trying to regulatory capture the market? That he’s bad at PR, or managing PR-adjacent crises? That he was ruthless and one-sided in employee and other contracts?
- int_19h 2y ago
  You kinda ignore the fact that said board also had some famous talent. So famous, in fact, that he is considered one of the key figures that actually made that whole ChatGPT thing possible in the first place. That aside, Altman literally hijacked the organization that was created by other people to fulfill certain goals, and now we find out that he did so by outright lies.

esafak 2y ago

This is a good question. If we could estimate it, we would compensate managers based on marginal productivity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_revenue_productivity_theory_of_wages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_revenue_productivity_...

dboreham 2y ago

"Null CEO" or "Unity CEO"?