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This telling by Toner has the ring of truth to it over the reason for Sam's ouster. It matches. Whatever I think of Sam personally, I would likely have done the

This telling by Toner has the ring of truth to it over the reason for Sam's ouster. It matches. Whatever I think of Sam personally, I would likely have done the same thing in her shoes. The CEO lying to and deceiving the board multiple times is a pretty serious red line.

EA-3167 2y ago
It's also a similar reason that Sam was fired from Y Combinator. None of this should be new, it's just when there's money on the line people's memories get as fuzzy as their morals.
- sixQuarks 2y ago
  I didn’t know he was fired from y combinator, what were the details?
  - bmitc 2y ago
    Explicit details were never released because for some reason people seem to like watching Altman fall his way up the ladder.
    - boringg 2y ago
      Its crazy that you can be fired from that role and make sure everyone covers their tracks so you can go do it again elsewhere.
  - reducesuffering 2y ago
    Only speculation: "In 2019, Altman was asked to resign from Y Combinator after partners alleged he had put personal projects, including OpenAI, ahead of his duties as president, said people familiar with the matter." https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/sam-altman-openai-protected-by-silicon-valley-friends-f3efcf68 https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/sam-altman-openai-protected-by-s... Regardless, this is another in a recent string of blows to YC's reputation for making people believe Sama moved on when in reality he was fired. What do you call making people believe something that's knowingly not true? Deception?
  - raymond_goo 2y ago
    He didn't get fired: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1796107666265108940 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1796107666265108940
- threeseed 2y ago
  And let's not forget the OpenAI investors include YC itself as well as Paul Graham's wife, Jessica Livingston. Sam may have been fired from YC but it does look like they believed in him.
  - nicce 2y ago
    > Sam may have been fired from YC but it does look like they believed in him. Being character like that, unfortunately, leads often success in life. You are not limited by ethics or morals like most people do. You need to be convincing that you care, while in reality you are only objective about financial success. And if you are into money, you will invest these kinds of people.
- raymond_goo 2y ago
  He didn't get fired: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1796107666265108940 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1796107666265108940

EA-3167 2y ago

It's also a similar reason that Sam was fired from Y Combinator. None of this should be new, it's just when there's money on the line people's memories get as fuzzy as their morals.

sixQuarks 2y ago
I didn’t know he was fired from y combinator, what were the details?
- bmitc 2y ago
  Explicit details were never released because for some reason people seem to like watching Altman fall his way up the ladder.
  - boringg 2y ago
    Its crazy that you can be fired from that role and make sure everyone covers their tracks so you can go do it again elsewhere.
- reducesuffering 2y ago
  Only speculation: "In 2019, Altman was asked to resign from Y Combinator after partners alleged he had put personal projects, including OpenAI, ahead of his duties as president, said people familiar with the matter." https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/sam-altman-openai-protected-by-silicon-valley-friends-f3efcf68 https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/sam-altman-openai-protected-by-s... Regardless, this is another in a recent string of blows to YC's reputation for making people believe Sama moved on when in reality he was fired. What do you call making people believe something that's knowingly not true? Deception?
- raymond_goo 2y ago
  He didn't get fired: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1796107666265108940 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1796107666265108940
threeseed 2y ago
And let's not forget the OpenAI investors include YC itself as well as Paul Graham's wife, Jessica Livingston. Sam may have been fired from YC but it does look like they believed in him.
- nicce 2y ago
  > Sam may have been fired from YC but it does look like they believed in him. Being character like that, unfortunately, leads often success in life. You are not limited by ethics or morals like most people do. You need to be convincing that you care, while in reality you are only objective about financial success. And if you are into money, you will invest these kinds of people.
raymond_goo 2y ago
He didn't get fired: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1796107666265108940 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1796107666265108940