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See, that's exactly the reason we can't have mature reasoned political discussions here. You ignore my comment in its entirety and seize onto one tiny detail to

by krapp 2y ago

See, that's exactly the reason we can't have mature reasoned political discussions here. You ignore my comment in its entirety and seize onto one tiny detail to make bad faith assumptions about and blow up into hyperbole. Everyone does that, and after a while it becomes clear there's no point in even trying to engage in conversation with people. The reason I put "stop genocide" in quotation marks is that my comment was not specifically about Israel but politics in general, and I used "stop genocide" as a placeholder for any similarly controversial political topic one might encounter here. Now do please unclutch your pearls and descend from your soapbox.

runarberg 2y ago
My argument was that we should much rather have "immature and unreasoned" discussion here, than to stay silent. The situation is insane, so emotional reaction is to be expected. Experiencing a genocide should trigger emotions, we are human after all. The alternative of staying silent, or worse, being silenced, is not the sort of thing history looks kindly on. The most charitable interpretation of HN is that we are afraid to have this discussion, and are finding excuses not to have it. A more realistic interpretation is that we can’t be bothered to have this discussion. We should focus on our jobs (some of which is contributing to the genocide) and pretend no genocide is happening. In either case, HN is on the wrong side of history.
- krapp 2y ago
  Staying silent on Hacker News is not the same as staying silent altogether. There is an entire world and society with which to interact beyond this forum. Donate to causes. Talk to your senator. Protest in the streets.Get on Twitter or Mastodon and bump up real news from real activists. >A more realistic interpretation is that we can’t be bothered to have this discussion. Yes. Hacker News is a place for nerds to distract themselves, nothing more. Political discussion even with some technical dimension often amounts to little more than an excuse for intellectual exercise and sophistry, a chance for people to demonstrate their worldliness by lecturing on realpolitik or self-righteousness by denouncing the assumed immorality of their peers. Most people here aren't experiencing genocide. For most people here it's just more content to be consumed and transformed into endorphines and internet points, no more real than the battle of Yavin from Star Wars. Once you understand that dynamic you'll realize there is no praxis to be found here, only catharsis, and catharsis can be poison. I'm not telling you or anyone not to care, just to not waste their time shouting into the void here.
chicagoITdude 2y ago
to late thread got flagged

by krapp 2y ago

runarberg 2y ago

My argument was that we should much rather have "immature and unreasoned" discussion here, than to stay silent. The situation is insane, so emotional reaction is to be expected. Experiencing a genocide should trigger emotions, we are human after all. The alternative of staying silent, or worse, being silenced, is not the sort of thing history looks kindly on. The most charitable interpretation of HN is that we are afraid to have this discussion, and are finding excuses not to have it. A more realistic interpretation is that we can’t be bothered to have this discussion. We should focus on our jobs (some of which is contributing to the genocide) and pretend no genocide is happening. In either case, HN is on the wrong side of history.

krapp 2y ago
Staying silent on Hacker News is not the same as staying silent altogether. There is an entire world and society with which to interact beyond this forum. Donate to causes. Talk to your senator. Protest in the streets.Get on Twitter or Mastodon and bump up real news from real activists. >A more realistic interpretation is that we can’t be bothered to have this discussion. Yes. Hacker News is a place for nerds to distract themselves, nothing more. Political discussion even with some technical dimension often amounts to little more than an excuse for intellectual exercise and sophistry, a chance for people to demonstrate their worldliness by lecturing on realpolitik or self-righteousness by denouncing the assumed immorality of their peers. Most people here aren't experiencing genocide. For most people here it's just more content to be consumed and transformed into endorphines and internet points, no more real than the battle of Yavin from Star Wars. Once you understand that dynamic you'll realize there is no praxis to be found here, only catharsis, and catharsis can be poison. I'm not telling you or anyone not to care, just to not waste their time shouting into the void here.

chicagoITdude 2y ago

to late thread got flagged