And I agree, as long as we also agree that: hackers ∩ developers ≠ ∅ (The set of all hackers are not a strict subset of the set of all developers, but it's

And I agree, as long as we also agree that: hackers ∩ developers ≠ ∅ (The set of all hackers are not a strict subset of the set of all developers, but it's also true that some hackers - yes, in the breaking-in-to-something sense - are developers.)