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https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1d0xudy/physicallyhealthy_dutch_woman_zoraya_ter_beek/ https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1d0xudy/physicallyh...

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1d0xudy/physicallyhealthy_dutch_woman_zoraya_ter_beek/ https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1d0xudy/physicallyh... I read about this story, and the prevailing mood on the internet around her story (outside of religious folks) has been on of Empathy and support on her right to choose her own end, but also looking deeper, this woman had been diagnosed with BPD (borderline) and was fetishizing suicide and death for a long time. She had no physical ailments or pain, at 29, she was estranged from her mother but from accounts, lived with a supportive boyfriend and pets "Ter Beek has thought about her decision throughout the long process, which takes several years to complete. “In the three and a half years this has taken, I’ve never hesitated about my decision. I have felt guilt — I have a partner, family, friends and I’m not blind to their pain. And I’ve felt scared. But I’m absolutely determined to go through with it,” she said." I feel like the mental health community let this woman down, her family let her down, 3 years (considering she was NOT in physical pain or terminally ill) is NOT long enough for someone as young as 29. three years is nothing when it comes to a life. Its unsurprisingly common for young people to fetishize and glamorize suicide and looking at Euthanasia as a cure for her suffering. I also totally, agree that she should have not been harassed as she unfortunately was on social media, but Suicide is a permanent solution to a what is often a temporary problem, perhaps if she had the opportunity to change her environment, have the chance to see that much of life changes as one gets older..especially at 29.. if this was at 43 I might have felt different.. I support euthanasia but this case seems all wrong

AndrewDucker 2y ago
==== Over the course of a decade, she tried everything to relieve the symptoms of her mental illness—including, at last, 33 rounds of electroconvulsive therapy, where electric currents jolt the brain. Zoraya’s last treatment was in August 2020, after which she says her psychiatrist told her: “There’s nothing more we can do for you. It’s never going to get any better.” ==== She spent a decade doing absolutely everything they could think of, including electroconvulsive therapy. Is ten years long enough for you? What else should she do in order to satisfy you?
- hackeraccount 2y ago
  What kind of Dr. says, "Sorry, you can't be helped." Not even on some Internet forum but to a person's face. To a patients face.
  - AndrewDucker 2y ago
    One dealing with a patient who has exhausted all events by which they might be helped and needs an honest answer to their questions?
    - hackeraccount 2y ago
      When my Grandmother was in hospice somehow everyone involved managed to help her and say that she could be helped without lying to her about the situation, telling her that she could not be helped or euthanizing her. In short everyone actually helped her. No one lied to her by saying there was nothing that could be done. She didn't but if she had said she wanted to kill herself no one would have asked her how they could help with that but instead they would have asked her why, and followed that up with how that problem could if not be fixed at least dealt with. The women who did this clearly had problems and when push came to shove everyone just stood around and told her to deal with them herself.

AndrewDucker 2y ago

==== Over the course of a decade, she tried everything to relieve the symptoms of her mental illness—including, at last, 33 rounds of electroconvulsive therapy, where electric currents jolt the brain. Zoraya’s last treatment was in August 2020, after which she says her psychiatrist told her: “There’s nothing more we can do for you. It’s never going to get any better.” ==== She spent a decade doing absolutely everything they could think of, including electroconvulsive therapy. Is ten years long enough for you? What else should she do in order to satisfy you?

hackeraccount 2y ago
What kind of Dr. says, "Sorry, you can't be helped." Not even on some Internet forum but to a person's face. To a patients face.
- AndrewDucker 2y ago
  One dealing with a patient who has exhausted all events by which they might be helped and needs an honest answer to their questions?
  - hackeraccount 2y ago
    When my Grandmother was in hospice somehow everyone involved managed to help her and say that she could be helped without lying to her about the situation, telling her that she could not be helped or euthanizing her. In short everyone actually helped her. No one lied to her by saying there was nothing that could be done. She didn't but if she had said she wanted to kill herself no one would have asked her how they could help with that but instead they would have asked her why, and followed that up with how that problem could if not be fixed at least dealt with. The women who did this clearly had problems and when push came to shove everyone just stood around and told her to deal with them herself.