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> The state already has plenty of tools to kill those it disagrees with This is not about people the state disagrees with, but about the undesirable of society

> The state already has plenty of tools to kill those it disagrees with This is not about people the state disagrees with, but about the undesirable of society. The risk is we get to legitimize euthanasia as a way of getting rid of the poor and homeless. I'm absolutely horrified by the direction taken by Canada with regards to this. It is mindblowing and hard to believe for me that 1 in 4 Canadians thinks that assisted suicide should be allowed for the poor[1]. Like, how about getting them out of poverty instead? How about providing every citizen with a dignified life before we consider ways to literally put them out of their misery? Thankfully there aren't enough doctors willing to go on with what seem like the nazi wet dream[2], but I'm left seriously wondering what's wrong with Canadian society. 1: https://www.catholicweekly.com.au/new-research-shows-one-in-four-canadians-want-euthanasia-for-the-poor-and-homeless/ https://www.catholicweekly.com.au/new-research-shows-one-in-... 2: https://nypost.com/2024/02/03/news/canada-halts-assisted-suicide-program-for-mentally-ill-due-to-lack-of-doctors/ https://nypost.com/2024/02/03/news/canada-halts-assisted-sui...

tejohnso 2y ago
> It is mindblowing and hard to believe for me that 1 in 4 Canadians thinks that assisted suicide should be allowed for the poor You think that the poor should have fewer rights than others? I have the right to choose to end my life within the regulations of MAiD. I'd hate to think that I lose that right simply because I'm "poor".
- ossobuco 2y ago
  What an absolutely ridicolous way to spin this. Now I'm 100% sure you're not poor by the way. Weird that only poor people will get recommendations for assisted suicide. Why aren't middle class families recommended it based on their income? I've heard a good ol' assisted suicide can solve pretty much anything nowadays!
  - tejohnso 2y ago
    First you were talking about what is "allowed". Now you're talking about what is "recommended". But it seems like what is really going on is that you believe that there is some kind of conspiracy to use MAiD to eliminate the poor and you are unable to have a discussion that doesn't take that conspiracy theory as fact.
    - ossobuco 2y ago
      Apparently you don't know how MAiD works. If assisted suicide is allowed for a specific cause (like poverty or mental illness) then doctors can actually recommend it to patients[1][2]. I hope this helps you realize that "allowed" and "recommended" in this case can coincide. 1: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-maid-suicide-patient-vancouver/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/arti... 2: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-maid-assisted-suicide-homeless https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-maid-assisted-su...
skyyler 2y ago
>The risk is we get to legitimize euthanasia as a way of getting rid of the poor and homeless. Ah yes, a slippery slope. Very scary. Don't slide down it!
- ossobuco 2y ago
  No, this is not a slippery slope. There are already reports of doctors recommending assisted suicide[1]: "The practice of referring or recommending assisted suicide has also spread well beyond the traditional boundaries of the health-care system. Notably, MAID is routinely practised within the Canadian prison system, despite similar measures proving deeply controversial in Belgium, a pioneer in assisted suicide legalization." So don't come and "debate bro" me when you didn't even bother informing yourself beforehand. 1: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-maid-assisted-suicide-homeless https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-maid-assisted-su...
  - skyyler 2y ago
    It is quite literally a slippery slope argument. You've implied that by legalising access to euthanasia (top of the slope), you are creating a scenario where eventually (slippery) the poor and homeless will be euthanised (bottom of the slope). Even just now you sent a link that supposedly supports this position, but let's check out what it says. >Research Co. found that 73 per cent of poll respondents favoured the current regime, and only 16 per cent opposed it. >If a Canadian’s only affliction was “poverty,” 27 per cent said they would be fine with legalizing that person’s access to MAID. Another 28 per cent pegged “homelessness” as an appropriate bar to qualify for MAID. >And 20 per cent of respondents were fine with MAID being handed out to anybody for any reason. Interesting how right wing politicians only care about poor and homeless people in situations like these. Anyways, >don't come and "debate bro" me I would advise you to take your own advice and stop replying to me then. Thank you :)
- andrenth 2y ago
  This is the slippery slope fallacy fallacy.

tejohnso 2y ago

> It is mindblowing and hard to believe for me that 1 in 4 Canadians thinks that assisted suicide should be allowed for the poor You think that the poor should have fewer rights than others? I have the right to choose to end my life within the regulations of MAiD. I'd hate to think that I lose that right simply because I'm "poor".

ossobuco 2y ago
What an absolutely ridicolous way to spin this. Now I'm 100% sure you're not poor by the way. Weird that only poor people will get recommendations for assisted suicide. Why aren't middle class families recommended it based on their income? I've heard a good ol' assisted suicide can solve pretty much anything nowadays!
- tejohnso 2y ago
  First you were talking about what is "allowed". Now you're talking about what is "recommended". But it seems like what is really going on is that you believe that there is some kind of conspiracy to use MAiD to eliminate the poor and you are unable to have a discussion that doesn't take that conspiracy theory as fact.
  - ossobuco 2y ago
    Apparently you don't know how MAiD works. If assisted suicide is allowed for a specific cause (like poverty or mental illness) then doctors can actually recommend it to patients[1][2]. I hope this helps you realize that "allowed" and "recommended" in this case can coincide. 1: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-maid-suicide-patient-vancouver/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/arti... 2: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-maid-assisted-suicide-homeless https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-maid-assisted-su...

skyyler 2y ago

>The risk is we get to legitimize euthanasia as a way of getting rid of the poor and homeless. Ah yes, a slippery slope. Very scary. Don't slide down it!

ossobuco 2y ago
No, this is not a slippery slope. There are already reports of doctors recommending assisted suicide[1]: "The practice of referring or recommending assisted suicide has also spread well beyond the traditional boundaries of the health-care system. Notably, MAID is routinely practised within the Canadian prison system, despite similar measures proving deeply controversial in Belgium, a pioneer in assisted suicide legalization." So don't come and "debate bro" me when you didn't even bother informing yourself beforehand. 1: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-maid-assisted-suicide-homeless https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-maid-assisted-su...
- skyyler 2y ago
  It is quite literally a slippery slope argument. You've implied that by legalising access to euthanasia (top of the slope), you are creating a scenario where eventually (slippery) the poor and homeless will be euthanised (bottom of the slope). Even just now you sent a link that supposedly supports this position, but let's check out what it says. >Research Co. found that 73 per cent of poll respondents favoured the current regime, and only 16 per cent opposed it. >If a Canadian’s only affliction was “poverty,” 27 per cent said they would be fine with legalizing that person’s access to MAID. Another 28 per cent pegged “homelessness” as an appropriate bar to qualify for MAID. >And 20 per cent of respondents were fine with MAID being handed out to anybody for any reason. Interesting how right wing politicians only care about poor and homeless people in situations like these. Anyways, >don't come and "debate bro" me I would advise you to take your own advice and stop replying to me then. Thank you :)
andrenth 2y ago
This is the slippery slope fallacy fallacy.