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For the next 10 years or so... My mind is not finite - don't want to waste my grey matter on crap. The release preview is good enough to make a decision and a

For the next 10 years or so... My mind is not finite - don't want to waste my grey matter on crap. The release preview is good enough to make a decision and avoid the massive job shift fallout when it hits RTM. I've been in the industry for 22 years. I can spot a turd coming miles away.

drivebyacct2 14y ago
>I can spot a turd coming miles away. You seem to have your mind made up. Good luck. The middle sentence is the only part that makes any sense to me, and even then, not really. You're implying that you're choosing the platform you're going to support? Good luck choosing a single one to support and being successful. Further, if you think that Windows desktop mode is going anywhere, see my other post, and you might want to check the stats for how many apps are already in the just-released Windows 8 RC Store. I don't understand what you're saying, at all. For the next 10 years? Are you honestly telling me that you're using Windows XP currently? Or a Palm Pilot?
- gouranga 14y ago
  I haven't spotted one yet... I'm choosing the platform I'm going to bet my paycheque on for the next 10 years. I have no problem with Metro (I use a Windows Phone and rather like it) and I know the Windows desktop is not going away but the deep cloud integration and training cost is what worries me. It's severing corporate interest if it's not un-configurable and is going to require retraining. There are cheaper solutions now. My father did fine from ARM/RISCOS in the 80s, I did fine from UNIX in the 90s and Microsoft in the 00s. There is definitely a 10 year cycle and it's about to roll over.
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    >It's severing corporate interest if it's not un-configurable and is going to require retraining. There are no changes to domain/group policies whatsoever and if you don't enable Skydrive, the "cloud" features of Windows 8 have no impact on the end user experience. I've seen this criticism all over the place and I don't buy it. The training I can understand. The Start Menu has been a staple for a very long time. It will be awkward for users to adjust to a different "start screen" instead of a "menu", but I don't see it being a big hurdle at all. Any other comments I might make run the risk of repeating the sentiments I've expressed elsewhere. People really need to start thinking about Metro Apps as "complementary to desktop Windows" instead of "OMG MS abandons Windows and Corporate support". I guess you might be in different work than what I perceive to be the normal crowd of HN who would likely be wanting or needing to support applications on every major platform. If you are doing managed corporate environments, I can understand the need to "pick one", but it's not like the alternatives to Windows have superior corporate control/configuration.

drivebyacct2 14y ago

>I can spot a turd coming miles away. You seem to have your mind made up. Good luck. The middle sentence is the only part that makes any sense to me, and even then, not really. You're implying that you're choosing the platform you're going to support? Good luck choosing a single one to support and being successful. Further, if you think that Windows desktop mode is going anywhere, see my other post, and you might want to check the stats for how many apps are already in the just-released Windows 8 RC Store. I don't understand what you're saying, at all. For the next 10 years? Are you honestly telling me that you're using Windows XP currently? Or a Palm Pilot?

gouranga 14y ago
I haven't spotted one yet... I'm choosing the platform I'm going to bet my paycheque on for the next 10 years. I have no problem with Metro (I use a Windows Phone and rather like it) and I know the Windows desktop is not going away but the deep cloud integration and training cost is what worries me. It's severing corporate interest if it's not un-configurable and is going to require retraining. There are cheaper solutions now. My father did fine from ARM/RISCOS in the 80s, I did fine from UNIX in the 90s and Microsoft in the 00s. There is definitely a 10 year cycle and it's about to roll over.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  >It's severing corporate interest if it's not un-configurable and is going to require retraining. There are no changes to domain/group policies whatsoever and if you don't enable Skydrive, the "cloud" features of Windows 8 have no impact on the end user experience. I've seen this criticism all over the place and I don't buy it. The training I can understand. The Start Menu has been a staple for a very long time. It will be awkward for users to adjust to a different "start screen" instead of a "menu", but I don't see it being a big hurdle at all. Any other comments I might make run the risk of repeating the sentiments I've expressed elsewhere. People really need to start thinking about Metro Apps as "complementary to desktop Windows" instead of "OMG MS abandons Windows and Corporate support". I guess you might be in different work than what I perceive to be the normal crowd of HN who would likely be wanting or needing to support applications on every major platform. If you are doing managed corporate environments, I can understand the need to "pick one", but it's not like the alternatives to Windows have superior corporate control/configuration.