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Windows 10 is the maximum intrusion people are willing to take. That's all there is. If Microsoft isn't going to stop this, I wonder where we end up. As this is

Windows 10 is the maximum intrusion people are willing to take. That's all there is. If Microsoft isn't going to stop this, I wonder where we end up. As this is an OS that billions of people rely on. I can already see a lot of people using outdated versions w/o support just to avoid espionage hell.

ragnese 2y ago
> Windows 10 is the maximum intrusion people are willing to take. Statistically, 100% of people are willing to take exactly what they get when they buy a new computer. With the same precision of rounding, 0% of people are going to dig into settings to see if they can turn off something that they find annoying- usually because they're afraid of breaking something. People literally buy smart TVs that play ads when they aren't even watching anything (or it's been paused for a few minutes).
- Grimeton 2y ago
  A lot of stuff cannot be turned off in the home editions and even some stuff cannot be disabled in the professional or enterprise editions. Microsoft is adding more and more espionage to its OS knowing all to well that whole countries cannot just switch easily away from it. I hope that this triggers what is needed for people and companies to move over to open source software like FreeBSD.
WheatMillington 2y ago
>Windows 10 is the maximum intrusion people are willing to take. HN commenters have a habbit of massively overestimating how important this is to normal users.
- Grimeton 2y ago
  The level of espionage has been dialed up in many products like TVs, phones, Windows and so on over time. So more and more people are becoming aware and realize they don't want to be spied on. So it's becoming more and more an issue of public interest. So at least one commenter on HN underestimates how important this has already and will become in the future for normal users.
- smrq 2y ago
  I've heard nothing but gripes about Win 11 from distinctly normal users. Like, the kind of user that calls me panicking because they can't find a file, because they got the Explorer search and directory bars confused and typed a search term into the wrong one. It's the users that are least able to disable all this shit who are understandably most upset.
- exsomet 2y ago
  The other day my decidedly non-technical accountant was complaining about how (to use his word) “gross” copilot felt with regard to recall tracking everything you do. I was immediately reminded of the story of Joe Kennedy and the Shoeshine boy: https://www.pitzlfinancial.com/blog/ode-shoeshine-boy https://www.pitzlfinancial.com/blog/ode-shoeshine-boy > As the story goes, Joseph was walking around when he decided to sit down for a shoeshine. While polishing his shoes, the young worker gave Joseph some of his favorite stock picks. When Joseph heard the shoeshine boy giving out stock tips, he figured the party was about to end, and it was time to get out of the market. Windows has always gotten a healthy dose of derision from the tech community, but now it’s starting to come from people who have never had any reason to care about computers before, beyond the convenience they offer. Now that they do, I am not sure that it’s good for Windows.

ragnese 2y ago

> Windows 10 is the maximum intrusion people are willing to take. Statistically, 100% of people are willing to take exactly what they get when they buy a new computer. With the same precision of rounding, 0% of people are going to dig into settings to see if they can turn off something that they find annoying- usually because they're afraid of breaking something. People literally buy smart TVs that play ads when they aren't even watching anything (or it's been paused for a few minutes).

Grimeton 2y ago
A lot of stuff cannot be turned off in the home editions and even some stuff cannot be disabled in the professional or enterprise editions. Microsoft is adding more and more espionage to its OS knowing all to well that whole countries cannot just switch easily away from it. I hope that this triggers what is needed for people and companies to move over to open source software like FreeBSD.

WheatMillington 2y ago

>Windows 10 is the maximum intrusion people are willing to take. HN commenters have a habbit of massively overestimating how important this is to normal users.

Grimeton 2y ago
The level of espionage has been dialed up in many products like TVs, phones, Windows and so on over time. So more and more people are becoming aware and realize they don't want to be spied on. So it's becoming more and more an issue of public interest. So at least one commenter on HN underestimates how important this has already and will become in the future for normal users.
smrq 2y ago
I've heard nothing but gripes about Win 11 from distinctly normal users. Like, the kind of user that calls me panicking because they can't find a file, because they got the Explorer search and directory bars confused and typed a search term into the wrong one. It's the users that are least able to disable all this shit who are understandably most upset.
exsomet 2y ago
The other day my decidedly non-technical accountant was complaining about how (to use his word) “gross” copilot felt with regard to recall tracking everything you do. I was immediately reminded of the story of Joe Kennedy and the Shoeshine boy: https://www.pitzlfinancial.com/blog/ode-shoeshine-boy https://www.pitzlfinancial.com/blog/ode-shoeshine-boy > As the story goes, Joseph was walking around when he decided to sit down for a shoeshine. While polishing his shoes, the young worker gave Joseph some of his favorite stock picks. When Joseph heard the shoeshine boy giving out stock tips, he figured the party was about to end, and it was time to get out of the market. Windows has always gotten a healthy dose of derision from the tech community, but now it’s starting to come from people who have never had any reason to care about computers before, beyond the convenience they offer. Now that they do, I am not sure that it’s good for Windows.