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this should be easily solved by having a grid fee separate from the energy fee

jasonjayr 2y ago
On my bill (ISO-NE region/market) there is a separate generation and transmission fee. Crediting generation, and zeroing/discounting the transmission fee would be "more fair" but it would wreck the incentives.
- CaliforniaKarl 2y ago
  > On my bill (ISO-NE region/market) there is a separate generation and transmission fee. Same here, on the Peninsula of the Bay Area: Generation comes from generation owned or contracted by SVCE [0], which is then delivered via PG&E (both transmission and distribution). Billing is handled by PG&E: My bill has a section for PG&E charges, and a section for SVCE charges. The PG&E section has a generation credit, that effectively removes any costs of non-SVCE power generation, leaving the costs of transmission & distribution. [0]: https://svcleanenergy.org https://svcleanenergy.org
guerby 2y ago
In France we have a fixed grid monthly fee depending on the maximum feed power (usually 3, 6, 9, 12 kVA in single phase and up to 36 kVA in triple phase) and a variable part proportional to the kWh consumed. As of now the official rate "tarif bleu" available to all consumers are 151.2 EUR per year (12.6 EUR/month) for grid free of a 6kVA feed and 0.2516 EUR/kWh. Average electricity consumption of a household in France is 5681 kWh/year. For homeowner with solar when you export to the grid the excess you are paid (currently) 0.1301 EUR/kWh so less than the consumer price per kWh. There is also a small annual fixed fee for grid injection (24.36 EUR/year currently).
hot_gril 2y ago
It is in California, but I don't understand how they decide what falls into each category.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  im pretty sure that in california, transmission costs were broken out, but capital costs for generation capacity was baked into the price/kwh. Things have changed with the new legal mandate fixed fees that are being rolled out.

On my bill (ISO-NE region/market) there is a separate generation and transmission fee. Crediting generation, and zeroing/discounting the transmission fee would be "more fair" but it would wreck the incentives.

CaliforniaKarl 2y ago
> On my bill (ISO-NE region/market) there is a separate generation and transmission fee. Same here, on the Peninsula of the Bay Area: Generation comes from generation owned or contracted by SVCE [0], which is then delivered via PG&E (both transmission and distribution). Billing is handled by PG&E: My bill has a section for PG&E charges, and a section for SVCE charges. The PG&E section has a generation credit, that effectively removes any costs of non-SVCE power generation, leaving the costs of transmission & distribution. [0]: https://svcleanenergy.org https://svcleanenergy.org

guerby 2y ago

In France we have a fixed grid monthly fee depending on the maximum feed power (usually 3, 6, 9, 12 kVA in single phase and up to 36 kVA in triple phase) and a variable part proportional to the kWh consumed. As of now the official rate "tarif bleu" available to all consumers are 151.2 EUR per year (12.6 EUR/month) for grid free of a 6kVA feed and 0.2516 EUR/kWh. Average electricity consumption of a household in France is 5681 kWh/year. For homeowner with solar when you export to the grid the excess you are paid (currently) 0.1301 EUR/kWh so less than the consumer price per kWh. There is also a small annual fixed fee for grid injection (24.36 EUR/year currently).

hot_gril 2y ago

It is in California, but I don't understand how they decide what falls into each category.

s1artibartfast 2y ago
im pretty sure that in california, transmission costs were broken out, but capital costs for generation capacity was baked into the price/kwh. Things have changed with the new legal mandate fixed fees that are being rolled out.