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Accessing the dataset to train from scratch will be the biggest hurdle, now a lot of the pile has had ladder pulled since GPT-4
by ravetcofx 2y ago
Accessing the dataset to train from scratch will be the biggest hurdle, now a lot of the pile has had ladder pulled since GPT-4
- CamperBob2 2y agoSomeone will come along and say "Why don't you just mirror Anna's Archive?" in 3...2...1...
- sebzim4500 2y agoI think between Anna's Archive, fineweb and as many github repos as you can scrape you can get a pretty decent dataset. I doubt Anna's Archive would produce a good model on its own though.
- exe34 2y agoi suppose you wouldn't be able to use it for external services, but internally, I'm sure you can find some books that fell off the back of a truck...
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y agoNo reason you can't go external. GPT was trained using ebook torrent sites
- artninja1988 2y agoOpenAI has enough money to hire lawyers to defend it until the end of time though
- meiraleal 2y agoI'm okay with paying for datasets
- CamperBob2 2y agoDepends on how the courts rule. If the copyright maximalists prevail, only the wealthiest entities will be able to afford to license a useful data set. Paradoxically enough, this is the outcome that most "Hacker News" denizens seem to be rooting for.
- meiraleal 2y agoI'd still get most of my dataset from torrent but I could pay for specific things like high quality source code.
- groby_b 2y agoIt's almost as if people believe in fairness and compensating people for their work. Also, it's worth noting that this is only true as long as we're stuck in the "must train on the entire sum total of human output ever created" local minimum for machine learning. Given that most biological entities learn with much less data, this might well be the thing that prods ML research to using an approach that isn't "IDK, buy a few containers of GPUs, and half a DC of storage, see if that makes things better".
- nwsm 2y ago> It's almost as if people believe in fairness and compensating people for their work. Yet in this case we are talking about compensating the compilers/massagers/owners of the datasets, not the original authors from wherever the data was originally scraped.
- wizzwizz4 2y agoCopyright is hideously broken, but in theory: the owners only own it because they compensate the authors, which they only do out of an expectation of future profit (on average). That theory's a fantasy, because extractive systems involving gatekeepers get established, but in this specific case, enforcing copyright would make things fairer for authors. There's no extractive copyright-taking gatekeeper for websites: scrapers don't get copyright, so can't re-license the material they've scraped (unless it's permissively-licensed or something).
- GaggiX 2y agohttps://huggingface.co/datasets/HuggingFaceFW/fineweb https://huggingface.co/datasets/HuggingFaceFW/fineweb has 15T cleaned and deduplicated english web data tokens.
- ravetcofx 2y agoHoly crap, Does huggingface charge for bandwidth if you're downloading 45 terabytes??
- drexlspivey 2y agoI believe they are hosting it on Cloudflare who doesn’t charge for egress
- fragmede 2y agoMore specifically, Cloudflare R2 doesn't charge for egress, and Cloudflare doesn't charge for egress to members in the Bandwidth Alliance which include Azure, Google Cloud, Oracle, Alibaba Cloud, and others, though critically not AWS. They very much do charge egress fees elsewhere.
- andersa 2y agoFun trivia: downloading 45TB costs about $60, according to Cloudflare.
- verticalscaler 2y agoThat's what Cloudflare charges. It costs them around 6 cents.
- kazanz 2y agoWish I could say I'm surprised you're getting downvotes. Carrier costs are some of the lowest costs for hosting providers. Yet that fact seems to elude a majority of the community here.