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It is the server change that really pounds home how completely screwed up Microsoft is now. They're so committed to their tablet operating system -- so desperat

It is the server change that really pounds home how completely screwed up Microsoft is now. They're so committed to their tablet operating system -- so desperate to bet the entire company on it -- that they're forcing it on their server operating system. It really trumps even my worst expectations of Microsoft's Apple-initiated insantiy.

yuhong 14y ago
Well, I can think of servers being connected to touch screens so no keyboard or mouse is needed. Of course this will require new hardware.
tinco 14y ago
Why would you need a start button on a server system? What kind of system administrator are you?
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  ... a Windows sysadmin?
  - tinco 14y ago
    ... without a keyboard?
- huggyface 14y ago
  Not sure if joking...however, yes, in Windows Server land a good amount of administration is done with a GUI. Further such a response to the change from the Start GUI to the Metro GUI (not "from a Start GUI to a command line only system") is so bizarrely misplaced that I again have to assume joke.
  - tinco 14y ago
    I was half joking. I know that Windows Servers have GUI for administration. But I don't get why people are so attached to the start button. In the ~year that I have been using Windows I don't think I have ever clicked there with the mouse. You have a keyboard with a start button on it don't you? Beyond that I think the Metro UI is way more suited for administration tasks than the 'Start' UI. But we'll find that out won't we?
    - huggyface 14y ago
      You have a keyboard with a start button on it don't you? That activates the start menu, which no longer exists in Metro. It has nothing to do with the Start button itself not existing as a little circle in the lower left -- it's that the whole launcher / hierarchical list no longer exists. Microsoft is a usability disaster. They have gone through so many aborted abandoned half-efforts that this adds another cluster-f to the mess. But never all the way (Metro most certainly isn't. The half-baked shell is missing the enormous bulk of core functionality that requires you to delve through the history of abandoned prior efforts. And in Windows 2015 you'll have to fall back to the Metro interface to do the small amount they implement in it), so you'll still have the control panels and the MMC consoles and the managed consoles in the server manager and the metro consoles and the.... jesus, that company is a catastrophe, desperately trying to solidify inertia, but only turning it to jello.

yuhong 14y ago

Well, I can think of servers being connected to touch screens so no keyboard or mouse is needed. Of course this will require new hardware.

tinco 14y ago

Why would you need a start button on a server system? What kind of system administrator are you?

drivebyacct2 14y ago
... a Windows sysadmin?
- tinco 14y ago
  ... without a keyboard?
huggyface 14y ago
Not sure if joking...however, yes, in Windows Server land a good amount of administration is done with a GUI. Further such a response to the change from the Start GUI to the Metro GUI (not "from a Start GUI to a command line only system") is so bizarrely misplaced that I again have to assume joke.
- tinco 14y ago
  I was half joking. I know that Windows Servers have GUI for administration. But I don't get why people are so attached to the start button. In the ~year that I have been using Windows I don't think I have ever clicked there with the mouse. You have a keyboard with a start button on it don't you? Beyond that I think the Metro UI is way more suited for administration tasks than the 'Start' UI. But we'll find that out won't we?
  - huggyface 14y ago
    You have a keyboard with a start button on it don't you? That activates the start menu, which no longer exists in Metro. It has nothing to do with the Start button itself not existing as a little circle in the lower left -- it's that the whole launcher / hierarchical list no longer exists. Microsoft is a usability disaster. They have gone through so many aborted abandoned half-efforts that this adds another cluster-f to the mess. But never all the way (Metro most certainly isn't. The half-baked shell is missing the enormous bulk of core functionality that requires you to delve through the history of abandoned prior efforts. And in Windows 2015 you'll have to fall back to the Metro interface to do the small amount they implement in it), so you'll still have the control panels and the MMC consoles and the managed consoles in the server manager and the metro consoles and the.... jesus, that company is a catastrophe, desperately trying to solidify inertia, but only turning it to jello.