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That does not really describe what’s happening. The fix for asylum laws being abused is legislative, and in the last year fixes have been scuttled by Republican

That does not really describe what’s happening. The fix for asylum laws being abused is legislative, and in the last year fixes have been scuttled by Republican legislators. Sanctuary city laws are pretty reasonable policy statements about when a city cooperates in deporting illegal immigrants who may otherwise be law abiding. This makes perfect sense as a policy when you operate in an immigration regime that makes legal immigration infeasible for all kinds of necessary labor, from farm workers to domestic help and even high skilled IT. If Texas wanted to call California’s bluff on housing policy, it would also reject the middle and high income households moving to the Triangle from high housing cost California suburbs. But it’s not principled when it comes to that — their money is welcomed! Heck, even the Florida model where they check if businesses are indeed employing legal workers in labor intensive industries like construction would be a more faithful enactment of law and order values with respect to immigration. Anything short of that is its own form of sheltering.

parineum 2y ago
I'm not really making a policy criticism of any of it really. I'm just saying, if you're going to publicly antagonize someone about they way they do something and imply your way is the enlightened way to score political points, don't be surprised when those people find a way to call your bluff, publicly. Trucking migrants to sancutary cities has changed people's minds.
- shuckles 2y ago
  No, forcefully moving people around has not changed any minds and > publicly antagonize someone about they way they do something and imply your way is the enlightened way to score political points, don't be surprised when those people find a way to call your bluff Not sure how you frame a political stunt as a moral comeuppance.
  - parineum 2y ago
    > No, forcefully moving people around has not changed any minds I disagree. I've seen poling and heard numerous stories of citizens of sanctuary cites that were not border cites and have a very negligible issue with illegal migration suddenly having to deal with it first that shows that trucking migrants has moved the needle. > Not sure how you frame a political stunt as a moral comeuppance. It's a political comeuppance.
    - shuckles 2y ago
      Dozens of stories in whatever news media you consume has nothing to do with whether there are serious policy conversations about revisiting sanctuary city laws in those cities.
      - parineum 2y ago
        "Changing minds" is what I said, not changing policy. > Q. 26 Do you think New Yorkers should accept new migrants and work to assimilate them into New York, or New Yorkers have already done enough for new migrants and should now work to slow the flow of migrants to New York? (Order of choices was rotated.) > DATE | ACCEPT/ASSIMILATE | SLOW THE FLOW | DON’T KNOW/NO OPINION > October 2023 | 29 | 64 | 8 > August 2023 | 36 | 58 | 6 https://scri.siena.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/SNY-October-2023-Poll-Release.pdf https://scri.siena.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/SNY-Octobe... > Dozens of stories in whatever news media you consume has nothing to do with whether there are serious policy conversations about revisiting sanctuary city laws in those cities. Ha, is AP news up to your standards[1]? How about a direct quote from the Mayor of New York City? > Citing his “fundamental disagreement” with those laws, [Mayor] Adams, a Democrat, said the city’s police department should be free to cooperate with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents when a person is suspected of a serious crime, such as robbery or gang activity. You can dislike it all you want but bussing immigrants has had a major effect on people's opinions in the sanctuary cities they are bussed to. [1]https://apnews.com/article/new-york-sanctuary-city-eric-adams-migrants-ba24abf2f900111eabdfc7a841429b58 https://apnews.com/article/new-york-sanctuary-city-eric-adam...

parineum 2y ago

I'm not really making a policy criticism of any of it really. I'm just saying, if you're going to publicly antagonize someone about they way they do something and imply your way is the enlightened way to score political points, don't be surprised when those people find a way to call your bluff, publicly. Trucking migrants to sancutary cities has changed people's minds.

shuckles 2y ago
No, forcefully moving people around has not changed any minds and > publicly antagonize someone about they way they do something and imply your way is the enlightened way to score political points, don't be surprised when those people find a way to call your bluff Not sure how you frame a political stunt as a moral comeuppance.
- parineum 2y ago
  > No, forcefully moving people around has not changed any minds I disagree. I've seen poling and heard numerous stories of citizens of sanctuary cites that were not border cites and have a very negligible issue with illegal migration suddenly having to deal with it first that shows that trucking migrants has moved the needle. > Not sure how you frame a political stunt as a moral comeuppance. It's a political comeuppance.
  - shuckles 2y ago
    Dozens of stories in whatever news media you consume has nothing to do with whether there are serious policy conversations about revisiting sanctuary city laws in those cities.
    - parineum 2y ago
      "Changing minds" is what I said, not changing policy. > Q. 26 Do you think New Yorkers should accept new migrants and work to assimilate them into New York, or New Yorkers have already done enough for new migrants and should now work to slow the flow of migrants to New York? (Order of choices was rotated.) > DATE | ACCEPT/ASSIMILATE | SLOW THE FLOW | DON’T KNOW/NO OPINION > October 2023 | 29 | 64 | 8 > August 2023 | 36 | 58 | 6 https://scri.siena.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/SNY-October-2023-Poll-Release.pdf https://scri.siena.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/SNY-Octobe... > Dozens of stories in whatever news media you consume has nothing to do with whether there are serious policy conversations about revisiting sanctuary city laws in those cities. Ha, is AP news up to your standards[1]? How about a direct quote from the Mayor of New York City? > Citing his “fundamental disagreement” with those laws, [Mayor] Adams, a Democrat, said the city’s police department should be free to cooperate with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents when a person is suspected of a serious crime, such as robbery or gang activity. You can dislike it all you want but bussing immigrants has had a major effect on people's opinions in the sanctuary cities they are bussed to. [1]https://apnews.com/article/new-york-sanctuary-city-eric-adams-migrants-ba24abf2f900111eabdfc7a841429b58 https://apnews.com/article/new-york-sanctuary-city-eric-adam...