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No, in fact, hell no! http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows8/microsoft-windows-8-businesses-143238 http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows8/microsoft

by zabuni 14y ago

No, in fact, hell no! http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows8/microsoft-windows-8-businesses-143238 http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows8/microsoft-windo... "Related to this second point is information I’ve received that Microsoft has been furiously ripping out legacy code in Windows 8 that would have enabled third parties to bring back the Start button, Start Menu, and other software bits that could have made this new OS look and work like its predecessor. In fact, I’ve seen that several well-known UI hacks that worked fine with the Windows 8 Consumer Preview are no longer functional in the coming Release Preview. And those with hopes that Microsoft would allow businesses, at least, to boot directly to the desktop should prepare for disappointment. That feature not only isn’t happening, it’s being removed from Windows Server 12 (Windows 8’s stable mate) as well."

mkup 14y ago
Ah, great then, this will be even more epic fail than Vista. No Start menu, ridiculous 'store' instead of freedom of installing everything, new antitrust process vs goverment because of attempt to make Firefox and Chrome second class citizens and require BIOS vendors to reject unsigned bootloaders of Linux and FreeBSD. This may be the last OS they release ever, isn't it?
huggyface 14y ago
It is the server change that really pounds home how completely screwed up Microsoft is now. They're so committed to their tablet operating system -- so desperate to bet the entire company on it -- that they're forcing it on their server operating system. It really trumps even my worst expectations of Microsoft's Apple-initiated insantiy.
- yuhong 14y ago
  Well, I can think of servers being connected to touch screens so no keyboard or mouse is needed. Of course this will require new hardware.
- tinco 14y ago
  Why would you need a start button on a server system? What kind of system administrator are you?
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    ... a Windows sysadmin?
    - tinco 14y ago
      ... without a keyboard?
  - huggyface 14y ago
    Not sure if joking...however, yes, in Windows Server land a good amount of administration is done with a GUI. Further such a response to the change from the Start GUI to the Metro GUI (not "from a Start GUI to a command line only system") is so bizarrely misplaced that I again have to assume joke.
    - tinco 14y ago
      I was half joking. I know that Windows Servers have GUI for administration. But I don't get why people are so attached to the start button. In the ~year that I have been using Windows I don't think I have ever clicked there with the mouse. You have a keyboard with a start button on it don't you? Beyond that I think the Metro UI is way more suited for administration tasks than the 'Start' UI. But we'll find that out won't we?
      - huggyface 14y ago
        You have a keyboard with a start button on it don't you? That activates the start menu, which no longer exists in Metro. It has nothing to do with the Start button itself not existing as a little circle in the lower left -- it's that the whole launcher / hierarchical list no longer exists. Microsoft is a usability disaster. They have gone through so many aborted abandoned half-efforts that this adds another cluster-f to the mess. But never all the way (Metro most certainly isn't. The half-baked shell is missing the enormous bulk of core functionality that requires you to delve through the history of abandoned prior efforts. And in Windows 2015 you'll have to fall back to the Metro interface to do the small amount they implement in it), so you'll still have the control panels and the MMC consoles and the managed consoles in the server manager and the metro consoles and the.... jesus, that company is a catastrophe, desperately trying to solidify inertia, but only turning it to jello.

by zabuni 14y ago

mkup 14y ago

Ah, great then, this will be even more epic fail than Vista. No Start menu, ridiculous 'store' instead of freedom of installing everything, new antitrust process vs goverment because of attempt to make Firefox and Chrome second class citizens and require BIOS vendors to reject unsigned bootloaders of Linux and FreeBSD. This may be the last OS they release ever, isn't it?

huggyface 14y ago

It is the server change that really pounds home how completely screwed up Microsoft is now. They're so committed to their tablet operating system -- so desperate to bet the entire company on it -- that they're forcing it on their server operating system. It really trumps even my worst expectations of Microsoft's Apple-initiated insantiy.

yuhong 14y ago
Well, I can think of servers being connected to touch screens so no keyboard or mouse is needed. Of course this will require new hardware.
tinco 14y ago
Why would you need a start button on a server system? What kind of system administrator are you?
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  ... a Windows sysadmin?
  - tinco 14y ago
    ... without a keyboard?
- huggyface 14y ago
  Not sure if joking...however, yes, in Windows Server land a good amount of administration is done with a GUI. Further such a response to the change from the Start GUI to the Metro GUI (not "from a Start GUI to a command line only system") is so bizarrely misplaced that I again have to assume joke.
  - tinco 14y ago
    I was half joking. I know that Windows Servers have GUI for administration. But I don't get why people are so attached to the start button. In the ~year that I have been using Windows I don't think I have ever clicked there with the mouse. You have a keyboard with a start button on it don't you? Beyond that I think the Metro UI is way more suited for administration tasks than the 'Start' UI. But we'll find that out won't we?
    - huggyface 14y ago
      You have a keyboard with a start button on it don't you? That activates the start menu, which no longer exists in Metro. It has nothing to do with the Start button itself not existing as a little circle in the lower left -- it's that the whole launcher / hierarchical list no longer exists. Microsoft is a usability disaster. They have gone through so many aborted abandoned half-efforts that this adds another cluster-f to the mess. But never all the way (Metro most certainly isn't. The half-baked shell is missing the enormous bulk of core functionality that requires you to delve through the history of abandoned prior efforts. And in Windows 2015 you'll have to fall back to the Metro interface to do the small amount they implement in it), so you'll still have the control panels and the MMC consoles and the managed consoles in the server manager and the metro consoles and the.... jesus, that company is a catastrophe, desperately trying to solidify inertia, but only turning it to jello.