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Interesting language. Great web page. I find it off-putting to have politics as the third thing on the home page though. Makes me think there is going to be a

Interesting language. Great web page. I find it off-putting to have politics as the third thing on the home page though. Makes me think there is going to be a scissor that cuts the community apart at some point. ("As a Gleam community, we need to have a position on Israel-Palestine!")

SwiftyBug 2y ago
Actually I think this is pretty smart. This will deter people who disagree with those values to even participating in the community.
- boxed 2y ago
  How about just getting the work done?
  - heeton 2y ago
    It's somewhat naive to think that politics and life are not intertwined. There is no "getting the work done" without a huge amount of hidden politics. Bravo to this community for being explicit about it.
    - boxed 2y ago
      Calling your political opponents, or even people on the fence, "nazis" is a bit much though.
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      - Morzaram 2y ago
        Seems like you're reading into this. They literally say " As a community, we want to be friendly too. People from around the world, of all backgrounds, genders, and experience levels are welcome and respected equally. See our community code of conduct for more. Black lives matter. Trans rights are human rights. No nazi bullsh*t. " Considering quite a few contributors in the Gleam community are LGBTQ+ it's seems justified that they want to stand for their contributors rights and safety.
        boxed 2y ago
        Yea, but enumerating BLM skeptics in the same breath as nazis is not welcoming, and it's not respectful. I'm a BLM skeptic because it seems pretty clear to me that the movement has distracted everyone from the real issues of police brutality, under training, and militarization. It's distracting from the real issue of declining social mobility in the US, and it's blaming racism at the same time as nigerian immigrants are falsifying that premise clearly. Making these things into identity issue means we aren't making progress as we aren't talking about them, we're just screaming at each other and blaming the other side.
- avsteele 2y ago
  Yes, i agree it does that effectively now. But what about future issues? See my post below.
sussmannbaka 2y ago
you will find that not allowing Nazis and the likes into your community generally ties it together, rather than cuts it apart.
- boxed 2y ago
  "And the like" including people who see that BLM has accomplished not even nothing, but destroyed the small chance of taking the issue of police brutality seriously. It's not a black vs white thing. It's a police vs civilian thing, and a problem of police being under trained. People who want to stop people from dying by taking the problem seriously: "nazis". :(
  - patmorgan23 2y ago
    Wow you read a whole lot of your own biases into that. Says more about you than the project.
    - boxed 2y ago
      "nazis and the like" implies the other things listed in the same list I think. If the poster didn't mean that then sure. But I think he did.
  - boxed 2y ago
    Instead of down voting, do watch some videos from Gracie Breakdown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itYfWN65t2A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itYfWN65t2A
- avsteele 2y ago
  Until it doesn't. It isn't the case that even if everyone agrees on the BLM, Trans rights, and the outcome of WWII will agree on future issues of the day. Thier stance sets up an expectation that the language should have an official position on these topics. I even gave an example. A community that fosters professionalism rather than explicit ideology won't have this problem.
  - 2y ago
brabel 2y ago
What I find more offputting is that they aim to be international but mention things that are clearly American-centric (BLM is not an international thing, you know? In most other countries, all people's lives matter and that needs not be said. Saying that in Africa may even be offensive as that kind of implies it wasn't clear that their lives mattered until someone said it?! To me it's almost like a Serbian project mentioning that only people who support Bosnia's independence are welcome - without trying to make any sort of equivalence except for the absurdity of "local" issues spilling outside).

SwiftyBug 2y ago

Actually I think this is pretty smart. This will deter people who disagree with those values to even participating in the community.

boxed 2y ago
How about just getting the work done?
- heeton 2y ago
  It's somewhat naive to think that politics and life are not intertwined. There is no "getting the work done" without a huge amount of hidden politics. Bravo to this community for being explicit about it.
  - boxed 2y ago
    Calling your political opponents, or even people on the fence, "nazis" is a bit much though.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - Morzaram 2y ago
      Seems like you're reading into this. They literally say " As a community, we want to be friendly too. People from around the world, of all backgrounds, genders, and experience levels are welcome and respected equally. See our community code of conduct for more. Black lives matter. Trans rights are human rights. No nazi bullsh*t. " Considering quite a few contributors in the Gleam community are LGBTQ+ it's seems justified that they want to stand for their contributors rights and safety.
      - boxed 2y ago
        Yea, but enumerating BLM skeptics in the same breath as nazis is not welcoming, and it's not respectful. I'm a BLM skeptic because it seems pretty clear to me that the movement has distracted everyone from the real issues of police brutality, under training, and militarization. It's distracting from the real issue of declining social mobility in the US, and it's blaming racism at the same time as nigerian immigrants are falsifying that premise clearly. Making these things into identity issue means we aren't making progress as we aren't talking about them, we're just screaming at each other and blaming the other side.
avsteele 2y ago
Yes, i agree it does that effectively now. But what about future issues? See my post below.

sussmannbaka 2y ago

you will find that not allowing Nazis and the likes into your community generally ties it together, rather than cuts it apart.

boxed 2y ago
"And the like" including people who see that BLM has accomplished not even nothing, but destroyed the small chance of taking the issue of police brutality seriously. It's not a black vs white thing. It's a police vs civilian thing, and a problem of police being under trained. People who want to stop people from dying by taking the problem seriously: "nazis". :(
- patmorgan23 2y ago
  Wow you read a whole lot of your own biases into that. Says more about you than the project.
  - boxed 2y ago
    "nazis and the like" implies the other things listed in the same list I think. If the poster didn't mean that then sure. But I think he did.
- boxed 2y ago
  Instead of down voting, do watch some videos from Gracie Breakdown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itYfWN65t2A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itYfWN65t2A
avsteele 2y ago
Until it doesn't. It isn't the case that even if everyone agrees on the BLM, Trans rights, and the outcome of WWII will agree on future issues of the day. Thier stance sets up an expectation that the language should have an official position on these topics. I even gave an example. A community that fosters professionalism rather than explicit ideology won't have this problem.
- 2y ago

brabel 2y ago

What I find more offputting is that they aim to be international but mention things that are clearly American-centric (BLM is not an international thing, you know? In most other countries, all people's lives matter and that needs not be said. Saying that in Africa may even be offensive as that kind of implies it wasn't clear that their lives mattered until someone said it?! To me it's almost like a Serbian project mentioning that only people who support Bosnia's independence are welcome - without trying to make any sort of equivalence except for the absurdity of "local" issues spilling outside).